From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13949: 24.4.1; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:00 +0100 Message-ID: <87egb2qtvz.fsf@web.de> References: <56F12360.5030301@ro.ru> <83y49a4hga.fsf@gnu.org> <56F1837D.4060300@ro.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458669460 20439 80.91.229.3 (22 Mar 2016 17:57:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jaakov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 18:57:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aiQYI-0005QT-Ar for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:57:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38688 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aiQYH-0000DU-LR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13949) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2016 17:56:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiQXL-0004KY-Ac for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:56:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:63393) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiQXJ-0004KI-HV for 13949@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:56:10 -0400 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McnaL-1aQcZH0P7h-00Hxmt; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <56F1837D.4060300@ro.ru> (Jaakov's message of "Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:40:13 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:GD7OjWOXhaaiy+vN56NWaRcOJ3Iy6w2OtfjVwuhx/wjI7N6KKJg z6t7Qh/Wyl37OD06jC4/BwthxtEAYyJhRvsS7vWJvU+KfNl3iOuhnUGfRGUsow/iGpisBmr GxY9iRFSSyDFCyGYow45GyWmxOiXLGNmhxzJioBPSzhhI/KSXoUxE1lDlLAhHo3UJLueQ7Z kkSpC5LLm7mLasRS8UtiA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Q/JPItvj8aY=:qj9EMOvCCOOuiM38eYe+mX +EXnYjrtJDBqpJ6a+9uy0r/tJUFv4yKv2ViZL14mrmUCWm1f6lrwwke+BQ7EaG0MRmpcV/J67 mNKVtkZ1LURO29TCRFlLJzKV1ZMXEjcJOCLwiw99PmglOlzWD5wvO2a/ignXQkq0oPhCklwfu zp9xuwEbtnCIA6s4CxMwtJH4wAr30xCTKutnL9cavdtTquiKmSstv6bLqx5t6r7AXO9UKKPTJ cebm4vi8dLaJ3HASP2gxYeF23Tlr1heDVsSLXpjJreeULoqHu+DWCa+QYRxcqQP9PwpFB3eNZ ShM5GUwGG5J/qPmqu3SzF4kXex+U3wz2mjzTiJ+GCyLYa2AkZ0Z75ZjgB8CP0FfCrky99qLO/ g3+Ag1UmUIVlMtHjYeUJdNCrVejFxJn+tkbdoQkQgwMR0qINTNwf5sxwnpJoJnijHL2HNuLbg zcokSYVMpCv/7anEQRH0pOTzSUQk5RavphmoNZIX7V6nX6erG2N2LEFT1rBisjFqtOIyrpaax VMvk8RxLc0mHFroBISu78NOu253MKIB1xLgx+e4U+sSuY7a95U4VXsgkBW62aoso6d61NKyL+ /RMEuZv8gOifEo71apWEg6omNk6PXaGXOeWbHThPOncK8QpesbWTy/I5g7rkY77AGiLnBN2b8 ab/Kb0odXe7oa48Q73Yp0cUwbfc9uuxsc60lHF7hV5ZJQPxK1+9G8oAcfiLf3IghJVAmiWSPS JyhKtIYWVs4FqgNVUifaDGyNpt77TnitruROMMDIZZoyhg2a97OU1XxCU7tTrhmEe5L0IidA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115341 Archived-At: Jaakov writes: > Objection for the following reason: > - It's a human who types in and deletes a charter. > - fill-paragraph is not a human, but a routine. I agree. Executing one command that has the effect of (1) not changing the buffer and (2) marking the buffer modified makes no sense to the user. It makes sense from the viewpoint of the code, but not from the viewpoint of the user interface. It is confusing to the user, that's not good, so if we could change it, it would be progress, no matter how this issue is classified in technical terms. Michael.