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[67.60.109.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g34sm5360880otb.40.2016.05.20.16.43.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 May 2016 16:43:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <823d68fd-a92c-5552-8998-7b12b9ad55ae@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 20 May 2016 07:52:55 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) SXEmacs/22.1.15 (linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:118502 Archived-At: > I'm following up on dated 2015-09-15. ... > This exercise was unrealistic enough that I expect we shouldn't be > basing design decisions on it. That being said, for this particular > use case the 25.0.50 behavior appears to be a minor improvement over > 24.5. > > I suspect you filed this bug report because of some other, > more-realistic code that behaves poorly with 25.0.50's echoing > behavior. If so, could you please explain what the code is and what > the misbehavior's symptoms are? I think it had to do with getting help for prefixes from within Calc. I don't recall the details, though, and I may have found a workaround for the problem I was having. At any rate, unless someone else wants to keep it open, the bug might as well be closed. Jay