From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:21:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87eg78aqtx.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9c9lqll.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467743498 10196 80.91.229.3 (5 Jul 2016 18:31:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 20:31:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKV85-0003lp-P4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:31:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57122 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKV85-0003iY-2T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41439) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKUyU-0007G0-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKUyQ-0006Gw-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:60623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKUyQ-0006Gg-8v; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DB015116; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:21:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzEnonLTRmep; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3A1515110; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:21:25 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.50.3 In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205190 Archived-At: On 2016-07-02, at 00:09, Richard Stallman wrote: > > 2. The spreadsheet. Apparently table.el was either too complicated or > > too limiting to be easily used. Probably what should have happened > > here is that table.el should have been improved. There's no intrinsic > > reason why the spreadsheet aspect of Org needs to rely on Org's > > markup, or its major mode. > > This could be an instance of the problem I mean. If the spreadsheet > were a separate facility from Org mode, so that you could use either > one without the other, that doesn't mean they could not work together > well also. Org spreadsheet can use values in headline's properties. That _might_ be tricky to do if it were a separate mode. > > So one observation is, Org got where it is by taking some existing Emacs > > libraries, making them easier to use, and allowing them all to coexist > > in a single document. > > But it didn't make those things easier to use. It replaced them -- > but not each one by one. Rather, it replaced all of them with one > complex combined thing. That's what I see as a problem. I'm not sure I agree. Indeed, Org replaced the Outline mode with something a lot better. Most of other features of Org seem to me to be something new. (Agenda is similar to diary, but that's about it.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University