Windows Snapshots

Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

I've uploaded new snapshots for Windows to

https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-27/

Feedback welcome (including if the installer works).

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> I've uploaded new snapshots for Windows to...
> Feedback welcome (including if the installer works).

Before I go clicking on such a link: are these "installers"
that will try to install Emacs, or are they just passive
snapshots in the sense of prebuilt binaries, as in the
usual zip files?

If they are programs that install Emacs, can I suggest
you call them something other than "snapshots"?

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> I've uploaded new snapshots for Windows to...
>> Feedback welcome (including if the installer works).
>
> Before I go clicking on such a link: are these "installers"
> that will try to install Emacs, or are they just passive
> snapshots in the sense of prebuilt binaries, as in the
> usual zip files?

The files with "installer" in the name are installers. The files with
"zip" in the name are zip files.


> If they are programs that install Emacs, can I suggest
> you call them something other than "snapshots"?

Fred?

They are all Emacs-27 snapshot code.

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> The files with "installer" in the name are installers.
> The files with "zip" in the name are zip files.

OK; clear enough.

> > If they are programs that install Emacs, can I suggest
> > you call them something other than "snapshots"?
> 
> Fred?

Installer program?  emacs-setup.exe?

> They are all Emacs-27 snapshot code.

Dunno what "Emacs-27 snapshot code" means.  A snapshot is
typicaly something passive: one frame from a time stream.

Presumably you wanted to communicate that they each install
Emacs reflecting the source code at a given moment in time.
But that's clear anyway from the dates.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion, to help avoid confusion.
Call them freds, if you like.

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>> They are all Emacs-27 snapshot code.
>
> Dunno what "Emacs-27 snapshot code" means.  A snapshot is
> typicaly something passive: one frame from a time stream.
>
> Presumably you wanted to communicate that they each install
> Emacs reflecting the source code at a given moment in time.
> But that's clear anyway from the dates.

True. I could drop snapshot and leave the name, although "snapshot" is
pretty commonly used to mean "not a proper release".


> Anyway, it was just a suggestion, to help avoid confusion.
> Call them freds, if you like.

I think it's a good idea actually. Gnus used (perhaps still does) to
have funky names for releases -- ding, oort and that sort of
thing. Perhaps, we should be the same for Emacs. "Fred" for Emacs-27,
"Bob" for Emacs-28? Good idea or what?

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> > Anyway, it was just a suggestion, to help avoid confusion.
> > Call them freds, if you like.
> 
> I think it's a good idea actually. Gnus used (perhaps still does) to
> have funky names for releases -- ding, oort and that sort of
> thing. Perhaps, we should be the same for Emacs. "Fred" for Emacs-27,
> "Bob" for Emacs-28? Good idea or what?

Not really, I think.  (Depends on whether you accompany
the cute name with a description.)

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Stefan Monnier]

> The files with "installer" in the name are installers. The files with
> "zip" in the name are zip files.

Am I the only who think this sounds very confusing?


        Stefan

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> The files with "installer" in the name are installers. The files with
>> "zip" in the name are zip files.
>
> Am I the only who think this sounds very confusing?


I *think* you're joking, but it is something that I would like to work
on. Simple as possible is good.

Currently, the situation is made more complex by there being two
architectures (32/64 bit) and three choices of download (with deps,
without, installer). That's a lot of files to choose from. Not so much
of a problem for the snapshots, but for a full release, I think it is.

I will think on it. The issue is that most times I want to change
things, people say, "I prefer the old way"; so then we end up with two
options.

Phil

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Nicolas Petton]

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Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk> writes:

> Currently, the situation is made more complex by there being two
> architectures (32/64 bit) and three choices of download (with deps,
> without, installer). That's a lot of files to choose from. Not so much
> of a problem for the snapshots, but for a full release, I think it is.

I could improve the documentation for the Windows download options on
the downloads page at
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html#windows

It could for instance explain the differences between the various
download options (and maybe advice to use the 64bits w/ installer?).

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk> writes:
>
>> Currently, the situation is made more complex by there being two
>> architectures (32/64 bit) and three choices of download (with deps,
>> without, installer). That's a lot of files to choose from. Not so much
>> of a problem for the snapshots, but for a full release, I think it is.
>
> I could improve the documentation for the Windows download options on
> the downloads page at
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html#windows
>
> It could for instance explain the differences between the various
> download options (and maybe advice to use the 64bits w/ installer?).


That's not relevant yet. The installer is on Emacs-27. It could be
back-ported to Emacs-26 if we wished, but at the moment, it's not there.

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> Currently, the situation is made more complex by there being two
> architectures (32/64 bit) and three choices of download (with deps,
> without, installer). That's a lot of files to choose from. Not so much
> of a problem for the snapshots, but for a full release, I think it is.

Maybe put those 6 choices in 6 subdirs?  Or 4 subdirs, or 2?
Or use file names that make the choices clearer?

Separate subdirs might be clearer, I think.  And that could
let the file names, as well as the subdir names, be clearer.
(And each subdir could even have a small README that describes
the contents in plain English.)

Anyway, it's a good idea to pose the question - how best
to organize and present the choices to users.  You might
get some good suggestions that will help.

(And thanks again for the builds.)

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> I could improve the documentation for the Windows download options on
> the downloads page at
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html#windows
> 
> It could for instance explain the differences between the various
> download options (and maybe advice to use the 64bits w/ installer?).

Yes, please.  At least somewhere prominent it would be good
to provide such info in simple terms.

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:



> Separate subdirs might be clearer, I think.  And that could
> let the file names, as well as the subdir names, be clearer.
> (And each subdir could even have a small README that describes
> the contents in plain English.)

The README is there for the Emacs-26 pre-tests. The snapshots I will
add, but am less worried about it.

When I get time, I would like to re-organise the Emacs windows FTP site
though, so that the binaries are in different directories. At the
moment, it's confusing and the stuff you want (the latest) is at the
bottom.

> Anyway, it's a good idea to pose the question - how best
> to organize and present the choices to users.  You might
> get some good suggestions that will help.
>
> (And thanks again for the builds.)

My pleasure!

Phil

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

On Tue, Dec 05 2017,Phillip Lord wrote:


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>> (And thanks again for the builds.)
>
> My pleasure!
>
> Phil

Thanks for the snapshots.  How frequently do you plan to publish them?
Is there going to some sort of notification mails on the lists and
news groups?

Once again, thanks for the builds


sivaram
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Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Dec 05 2017,Phillip Lord wrote:
>
>
> [snipped 21 lines]
>
>>> (And thanks again for the builds.)
>>
>> My pleasure!
>>
>> Phil
>
> Thanks for the snapshots.  How frequently do you plan to publish them?

Probably once every week or two. But with out a service guarantee. There
will be times when this doesn't happen (or when master doesn't build!)

> Is there going to some sort of notification mails on the lists and
> news groups?


I can probably publish something here. I'm probably going to write an
"update.el" package that will work out when a new version has been
released and do user notifications.

> Once again, thanks for the builds


My pleasure!

Phil

Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

I've update the snapshots for Emacs-27

https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-27/

This includes updated dependency files which are rather smaller than
previously.

Feedback welcome.

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> I've update the snapshots for Emacs-27
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
> 3A__alpha.gnu.org_gnu_emacs_pretest_windows_emacs-
> 2D27_&d=DwIBAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=kI3P6ljG
> v6CTHIKju0jqInF6AOwMCYRDQUmqX22rJ98&m=ik5neBGbGpjMBF2i1BYADXOQavVjlyGAg
> K2aycxibMs&s=AF-SfyxWTY-1YPAcHANmb0JIuTJ9HpAqjr8K2uc_LDM&e=

Are there any snapshots that are more recent? Thx.

Re: Windows Snapshots

[Phillip Lord]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> I've update the snapshots for Emacs-27
>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
>> 3A__alpha.gnu.org_gnu_emacs_pretest_windows_emacs-
>> 2D27_&d=DwIBAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=kI3P6ljG
>> v6CTHIKju0jqInF6AOwMCYRDQUmqX22rJ98&m=ik5neBGbGpjMBF2i1BYADXOQavVjlyGAg
>> K2aycxibMs&s=AF-SfyxWTY-1YPAcHANmb0JIuTJ9HpAqjr8K2uc_LDM&e=
>
> Are there any snapshots that are more recent? Thx.


Haven't done them for a while (busy time of year). I will add some, if I
can find time.

Phil

RE: Windows Snapshots

[Drew Adams]

> > Are there any snapshots that are more recent? Thx.
> 
> Haven't done them for a while (busy time of year).
> I will add some, if I can find time.

Great.  Thank you.

Re: Windows Snapshots

[phillip.lord]

On 2019-11-11 17:48, Drew Adams wrote:
>> > Are there any snapshots that are more recent? Thx.
>> 
>> Haven't done them for a while (busy time of year).
>> I will add some, if I can find time.
> 
> Great.  Thank you.


New snapshots up. I've updated the deps as well!

Phil