From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:30:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528100976 6164 195.159.176.226 (4 Jun 2018 08:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 08:29:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , john@yates-sheets.org To: Amin Bandali Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 04 10:29:32 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPkrr-0001TR-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:29:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38310 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPkty-0001IK-6h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55893) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPktp-0001Hw-8w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPkto-0002B3-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:31:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:35494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPktj-00023J-0a; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D397E57FCC; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:31:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DI5tLLV9kTru; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:31:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (188.47.31.174.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl [188.47.31.174]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EAA9E57FFC; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:31:16 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225985 Archived-At: On 2018-06-04, at 07:09, Amin Bandali wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Out of curiosity: why aren't GNU projects open-source? I know RMS >> dislikes the term, but the source of GNU projects is available on the >> Internet, so technically they should count, no? > > GNU projects are licensed under the GPL. Though GPL is an "OSI > approved" license, and so technically an "open source" license, > calling it that comes way short of conveying what it stands for. > > Instead of attempting to explain it myself, I'll refer you to > this [0] article by RMS, called Why Open Source misses the point > of Free Software, which explains it much better than I could. I understand that, but Eli said > There's no doubt open-source projects do > exist, it's just that GNU projects are not among them. I thought that GNU projects are rather in the intersection of "free software" (in FSF sense) and open-source. That sentence confuses me. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl