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* User interaction from multiple threads
@ 2018-08-14 15:12 Eli Zaretskii
  2018-08-14 16:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 119+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-08-14 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

For background, see bugs #25214 and #32426.  Some additional
discussion was here:

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-12/msg00607.html

I'm trying to revive those past discussion, because we now have a
serious and useful application that bumped into these problems, where
formerly we only had theoretical discussions and toy programs.

After thinking some more about this, I think we should first pay
attention to conceptual issues related to this, before we start
talking about implementation.  The conceptual problem I see here is
the UX when more than one thread needs to interact with the user.

For the following description, recall that normally only the main
thread will wait on the keyboard descriptor (why that happens was
explained in bug#25214).

Use case #1:

  . The main thread is waiting for user input.  The user didn't yet
    type anything
  . A non-main thread runs Lisp that prompts the user for some input

  In this case, we probably want the following input to go to the
  prompting thread, right?  But it might also be the case that the
  user actually wants the input to go to the main thread, e.g. to
  perform some unrelated command.  Should we allow that?  If yes, how
  should Emacs know which thread should receive what the user types?

Use case #2:

  Same as the previous, but now the user is in the middle of typing a
  key sequence, when the non-main thread prompts.  For example,
  suppose the user has typed "C-x".

  What do we want to happen now?  Do we "preempt" the main thread and
  let the following input to go to the prompting thread?  Or do we let
  the prompting thread wait until the main thread reads a full key
  sequence and runs the command bound to it?  If the former, what to
  do with the partial key sequence ("C-x") that the user typed?  If
  the latter, how do we indicate to the user that there is a prompt
  from another thread?

Use case #3:

  Similar, but now 2 or more non-main threads prompt the user, one
  after the other, in quick succession.  What should happen now, and
  how will the user know there are multiple prompts?

Thoughts?



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2018-08-14 15:12 User interaction from multiple threads Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-14 16:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2018-08-15  8:02   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-16 14:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-17  2:59     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2018-08-17  8:56       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-15  8:06 ` martin rudalics
2018-08-15  8:22   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-15  9:08     ` martin rudalics
2018-08-15 10:30       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-15 12:27         ` martin rudalics
2018-08-15 12:59           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-15 16:27             ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-15 18:04               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-17  4:26                 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-17  4:32                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-17  7:33                   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-17  7:48                     ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-17  8:11                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-17  9:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-15 16:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-16 12:21             ` martin rudalics
2018-08-16 13:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-17  7:24                 ` martin rudalics
2018-08-17  7:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-17  8:34                     ` martin rudalics
2018-08-17  8:52                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-08-17  9:06                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-17  9:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-18  8:31                         ` martin rudalics
2018-08-18  9:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-19  9:17                             ` martin rudalics
2018-08-15 16:47   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-16 12:20     ` martin rudalics
2018-08-16 13:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-16 15:19         ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-20 14:36     ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-08-20 15:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-19 23:08 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-08-20  1:18   ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-20 14:15     ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-08-20 17:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-29 17:36         ` John Shahid
2018-08-30  0:18           ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-30  2:34             ` John Shahid
2018-08-30 13:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-30 16:08                 ` John Shahid
2018-08-30 17:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-30 20:15                     ` John Shahid
2018-08-31 18:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-31 21:37                       ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-09-01  7:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-20 17:03   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-20 22:38     ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-21 15:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22  4:05         ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-22 14:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22 15:48             ` hw
2018-08-22 17:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22 19:34                 ` hw
2018-08-22 23:58               ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-23  0:22                 ` John Wiegley
2018-08-24  1:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-23 14:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-23 22:34                   ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-24  8:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-24 12:59                       ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-25  0:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-25  0:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-24  2:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-24  3:57                     ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-24  9:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-24 11:44                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-24 15:41                         ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-25 11:58                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-27 10:53                             ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-08-25  0:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-25  7:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-25 10:32                           ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-25 19:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-25 19:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-26 12:52                               ` hw
2018-08-26 14:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-27  4:33                                   ` hw
2018-08-27  7:32                                     ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-27 14:35                                       ` hw
2018-08-27 15:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-27 18:43                                           ` hw
2018-08-28  5:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-28 20:47                                               ` hw
2018-08-27 15:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-27 19:46                                       ` hw
2018-08-28  5:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-28 13:05                                           ` Phil Sainty
2018-08-28 16:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-28 22:05                                           ` hw
2018-08-29 15:20                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-29 20:00                                               ` hw
2018-08-30 13:48                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-01 17:32                                                   ` hw
2018-09-01 18:55                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-02 16:37                                                       ` hw
2018-09-02 17:20                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-01 22:30                                                     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-02 16:43                                                       ` hw
2018-08-30  1:16                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2018-08-30 13:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-30 21:12                                       ` Uday Reddy
2018-08-31 18:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-01 17:33                                     ` hw
2018-08-26 20:43                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-22 16:24           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-22 17:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-25 16:16               ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-22  7:18         ` martin rudalics
2018-08-22 14:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-21 16:17     ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-08-30  0:21 ` Uday Reddy
2018-08-30 13:01   ` Eli Zaretskii

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