From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34939: Some minibuffer behaviour is annoying Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:50:16 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87ef4foh6v.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <1879851553195601@myt3-2475c4d2af83.qloud-c.yandex.net> <87a7hasuz4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87imtvd57d.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <877ea96i6t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <0501caa5-0196-45fd-8bc6-8dbb176622ce@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="49441"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , 34939@debbugs.gnu.org, pinkanon pinkanon To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 21:55:24 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR91-000Cd3-L4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 21:55:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58488 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR90-0004gH-6x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:55:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39045) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR8n-0004bs-F1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR8m-0002kj-4v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48639) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR8f-0002cS-QC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR8f-0001Rg-O5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:55:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 19:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34939 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 34939-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34939.15592460695503 (code B ref 34939); Thu, 30 May 2019 19:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 34939) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2019 19:54:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33950 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR89-0001Qh-4C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ostrich.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.138]:10013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hWR85-0001QX-5o for 34939@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 15:54:27 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30AC141E86; Thu, 30 May 2019 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-91-66.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.91.66]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D2F4142272; Thu, 30 May 2019 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a100.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Thu, 30 May 2019 19:54:23 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Desert-Cellar: 4769e8d2438b9fd4_1559246063688_1736218256 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1559246063688:2803512178 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1559246063688 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931307F582; Thu, 30 May 2019 12:54:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=o+lI+h FrgS4iwzOSAM0SBALiFNg=; b=TB3BmYL9DcIYqx5rgxwZ+KuDZK7fqITgJh0lA7 Q8YIF2yX0EKRW9x7UDTtQ0UZ8tEuC/NFvt47jEb7q/F6qrCA6xpLQ5hPYpb+SLmI oiaerpNSCYRKL5Vbk0aSTwRR2b1l+GDEbmELkorRrEBBReS7NsHah7oO47MLU9d6 ZoNEo= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-73.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF9FB7F58F; Thu, 30 May 2019 12:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a100 In-Reply-To: <0501caa5-0196-45fd-8bc6-8dbb176622ce@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 29 May 2019 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT)") X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddruddvledgudeggecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrdeliedrjeefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledrleeirdejfedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegurhgvfidrrggurghmshesohhrrggtlhgvrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159943 Archived-At: >> Here is a complete 1-to-1 rewrite of the C function =E2=80=98print_err= or_message=E2=80=99 >> in Lisp that now can be used for more user-friendly displaying error m= essages > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> in the minibuffer > > I haven't been following this thread. But it looks > like this will use `minibuffer-message' for errors > raised during minibuffer input, and block `message', > except for logging. Is that right? No, it won't block messages. > If not, just what does this change represent? It will display messages together with the minibuffer contents instead of replacing it. Currently it requires the user to wait 2 seconds before the user can see the minibuffer contents again. Most often, this happens after typing M-n to see if any default values are available, and it replaces the minibuffer contents with the message =E2=80=9CEnd of history; no default available=E2=80=9D. I have to wait s= everal times per day for this message to go away. Totally it takes ~1 minute per day, ~300 minutes (5 hours) per year, and ~50 hours per decade - this is a whole workweek of just looking at the message and waiting for Godot.