From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lack of tooling slowing down contributions Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 00:19:31 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87ef3ramp0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87ftocy5uv.fsf@cassou.me> <87a7ehea7w.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <292af6adcd90b805f8eb1c0241170221@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="44408"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Damien Cassou , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 18 00:13:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hczsg-000BOg-Go for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 00:13:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52186 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hczsf-0000xh-HS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58961) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hczsZ-0000ux-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hczsY-0001M0-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:13:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:36827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hczsY-0001Kq-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:13:30 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD3A140ACA; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-88-48.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.88.48]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3CCE81418E9; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:13:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a9.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237805 Archived-At: >> This feature is sorely missed: every time I copy text from web browsers >> to Emacs I have to manually insert additional space at the end of every >> copied sentence before typing M-q. > > You can't do this automatically, can you? One of the reasons that the > double-spaced sentence convention is useful in the first place is that > it unambiguously differentiates sentence endings from other uses of that > punctuation character which do *not* indicate the end of a sentence. > > E.g. for example, should not become "E.g. for example". > > P. G. Wodehouse should not end up as "P. G. Wodehouse". > > Prof. Moriarty should not end up as "Prof. Moriarty" > > When the same punctuation character is used for multiple things, I don't > imagine there's any way for Emacs to do this accurately, short of natural- > language parsing (which sounds like a giant can of worms) ? I believe it's possible to find some simple heuristics (maybe even just regexp-based) that would cover more than 90% of cases. And like when a spell-checker finds an unknown word, the user can add it to the personal dictionary, a new double-spacer command should allow the user to add exceptions to the personal customization.