From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37829: 27.0.50; Overlay behaviour changed without documentation. Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:43:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87eez5q3zq.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87d0erssxl.wl-all_but_last@163.com> <83mudv65jd.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv83fz0n.fsf@gnus.org> <83h843644k.fsf@gnu.org> <87blubfxq9.fsf@gnus.org> <83d0er62y7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftjne50s.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8yb44d6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="173479"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 37829@debbugs.gnu.org, all_but_last@163.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 21:44:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdb9-000iwE-S7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:44:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47290 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdb8-0005iK-JI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34843) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdb1-0005fR-3i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:44:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdaz-00024Y-Vf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdaz-000243-Rz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:44:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdaz-0003SZ-Mq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:44:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37829 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37829-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37829.157168699513240 (code B ref 37829); Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37829) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2019 19:43:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdaE-0003RU-Nx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:51184) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMdaB-0003RK-7k for 37829@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMda5-0003xT-Ur; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:43:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83o8yb44d6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:13:41 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169942 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But under the assumption that most faces should not be extended, that > would mean our default is wrong in most cases, and what kind of > default is that? I agree that it's a bad default, but changing it now is going to require that a lot of people is going to have to change their code. >> And there certainly aren't unlimited places we have to change thing >> in-tree, because most things in-tree look just how we wanted them to. > > I said "including those not in core". We don't have to change things not in core. I'm for not changing defaults like this unnecessarily. And it is unnecessary -- things work for people now (because they've adapted to the behaviour), and having the default be the established behaviour wouldn't limit the usability of the feature. But I'm going to stop arguing about this now, because we're just restating our arguments. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no