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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: acm@muc.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: jit-lock-antiblink-grace
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 22:00:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eexpt47b.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83v9r1m70u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Nov 2019 22:41:21 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:19:35 +0000
>> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, 
>> 	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>> 
>> > > > So how is this a problem, if at worst we get the old behavior?
>> > >
>> > > After b), you now have to wait 2 seconds (jit-lock-antiblink-grace)
>> > > before you get the old behaviour (string-fontifying 7-10).
>> >
>> > Isn't this the new behavior?
>> 
>> Yes, but in this very particular case, it doesn't gain you anything,
>> IMO.
>
> But you don't lose anything, either, right?

Depends on how you look at it.  Let me try to explain.

jit-lock-antiblink-grace is based on presumptions, the main one being
that when you open a string, no two seconds of idle time will elapse
before you close it.  The presumption is also that you will close it
in a further position of the buffer.

In the edge case I described, that doesn't hold: the user wants to close
the string in a previous position.  So I speculate that that user is
accustomed to the old behaviour and will find it odd that the invalid
fontification -- which he/she expects and potentially even likes and
which used to come almost immediately -- now only comes after two
seconds, or when moving up the line.

This is fundamentally different from the main use case of
jit-lock-antiblink, where we are certain that near-immediate invalid
fontification will annoy the user, who we presume will "soon" close the
string.  So delaying that annoying thing is a good decision.

I only mentioned this edge case (which doesn't affect me, personally)
because previously I had written I could not find any useful behaviour
lost by jit-lock-antiblink.  I am doing this for completeness because we
know changing any default is potentially controversial (cue
https://xkcd.com/1172/).

João





  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-30 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-10 22:34 jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-11 14:26 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Stefan Monnier
2019-10-12  9:34 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 10:57   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-12 13:02     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-12 13:14       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-12 14:50         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-12 15:11           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-12 15:30             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-12 13:32     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 14:13       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Stefan Monnier
2019-10-12 14:23         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 14:34           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Stefan Monnier
2019-10-12 15:57             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 17:16               ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Stefan Monnier
2019-10-12 17:50                 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 15:47         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-10-12 14:23       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-12 16:04         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 21:55           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-13  6:39             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13  8:47               ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-13  9:22                 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 10:28                   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-13 10:45                     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-14 23:29                       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-15  6:48                         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-15 18:28                           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-24  1:04                             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-24 16:16                               ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-25 18:46                                 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-25 19:02                                   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-25 19:26                                     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-25 19:45                                       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-25 20:11                                         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-25 20:23                                           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-25 21:07                                             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-26  2:30                                               ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-26 17:58                                                 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-30 19:11                                                   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-30 19:22                                                     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-30 20:12                                                       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-30 20:16                                                         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-30 20:19                                                           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-11-30 20:41                                                             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-30 22:00                                                               ` João Távora [this message]
2019-12-01 18:13                                                                 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-04 22:45                                                                   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-12-05 15:40                                                                     ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-26 13:43                                           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Stefan Monnier
2019-11-25 19:47                                       ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-25 20:03                                         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-12 16:14         ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-10-12 22:26           ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-13 10:18             ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-10-13 10:48               ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora
2019-10-13 12:02 ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace Alan Mackenzie
2019-10-13 19:57   ` jit-lock-antiblink-grace João Távora

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