From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 01:12:50 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87eex9jf14.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8736e3vve8.fsf@gmx.net> <8736e2coyv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2vujd0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87blspm0sm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837e3ckbem.fsf@gnu.org> <871rtjn0kt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexiqps5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrphp94.fsf@gnu.org> <87wob7g2jk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83k177ebs0.fsf@gnu.org> <87muc27prn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83tv6acgq5.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexdoygh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83tv68c0nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0cubfxx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a77y9k35.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="92700"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 13 00:47:33 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ifYBA-000Nz4-VK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:47:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38620 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ifYB9-0004VC-Qz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:47:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9t-0003LH-A2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:46:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9r-0001Kp-N1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:46:13 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9k-0001Ho-Be for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:46:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9k-0004xw-9s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:46:04 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:46:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38457.157619435018991 (code B ref 38457); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:46:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2019 23:45:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9V-0004wF-Mq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:45:49 -0500 Original-Received: from bisque.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.18]:36845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifY9U-0004w1-1i for 38457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:45:48 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5752C1E3D; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-86-154.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.86.154]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8B42C2C1643; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:45:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:45:46 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Vacuous-Harbor: 464cb6bb348de381_1576194346840_817076722 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1576194346839:957555455 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1576194346839 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7A17F219; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:45:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=t5gBPJrpdr1B1diApsjQorShiKI=; b= kx92eHzAAuwxl7SpCg7f2oCd7uOvbNQpeK14EBl8v8WJ6Mplenw4iNB6wiIe+12g SS2au1D+6oylRMr8KUA7Ikm6vMBQSty6jB6I5LvHhz4HGtBqzM5Zmz6DadE7LMns IwZbvmcUUrFlvLkWdPd1yY7joC70V81SZAhmNL9M9I4= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-42.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B349F7F21C; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:45:39 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a65 In-Reply-To: <83a77y9k35.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:41:34 +0200") X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudelkedgudehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrdeliedrgedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledrleeirdegvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpeef X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173234 Archived-At: >> When message-in-echo-area is non-nil, then 'message' has exactly >> the same behavior as before, as in the previous versions. >> >> I propose to use timers in minibuffer-message conditionally >> only when message-in-echo-area is nil. Then the behavior >> of minibuffer-message will be exactly the same as before too >> when message-in-echo-area is non-nil. >> >> If you want to set message-in-echo-area to t in the release branch, >> that's fine. > > That would mean bring back all the problems for which these changes > were made. So it would be the worst of all worlds, and thus makes > very little sense to me. Then your proposed implementation should be activated when minibuffer-message-timeout is set to a non-nil value. Otherwise, when it's a number, it should use the timer. > And in any case, minibuffer-message already behaves differently: it > logs the message in *Messages*, something it never did and is not > documented, and you suggested another change, to make it start the > debugger per debug-on-message. These change behavior of any direct > callers of minibuffer-message in incompatible ways, something I don't > think we have a good reason to do. I see no reason not to change minibuffer-message. But if you think it should never change, let's create a duplicate function message-in-minibuffer.