From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Remote asynchronous processes Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: <87eesqytig.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87tv1nwuv4.fsf@gmx.de> <87sgh6zbfo.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="116140"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philippe Vaucher , Philipp Stephani , Emacs developers To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 14 19:18:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jOPD6-000U7S-OC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:18:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35944 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOPD5-0003sZ-JH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:18:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36031) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOOpW-00038N-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jOOpV-0005yc-DF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:54:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:43253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jONWJ-0001b4-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:30:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1586878233; bh=nLTiizf8YGyPuOdYxHs9oDVx4SyjfxBNAdykxn3sA/s=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=DBBFc7VXhfxxAuxok0rO/8xTEoUrBiO1mkAEr6Vj5i2j7q0zt3B5pZOW29cngexW8 ZAzqepRNnweKvaI/oRCIpz1rTU9fJucXu7gXB5Bi9wls4iM4Xso6XPBGo3aIISH9ak fSKeixQ/eev6zEHi1DaxkgxwuGfcfTxpxJZDs9d8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([213.220.151.7]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MnJlW-1iwm0j0v7E-00jKfh; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:30:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:48:27 -0400") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T1Lu0GmmrkiocdEQw7MPrqFXS/czhPxuWDa2IxfrTCcULSHJKEO M/T/BTKIf81IcvnntM9A1LR3YMIBNWywQyNiRb4AuC25OvD5PuJrAOxX682dHZMXsaSyHt0 sZt3wc16Y2f981G6ml4TJbUAXYoWfrcD9i1RaMU82gYpEBL7IkTBvHHLO8nFO/DcGwzBNlU 35ZIMfxn2NOQx+ds50uVA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cy6EA6pgaHo=:f0VetyU8vxuoDE3EUjaee4 Tn/jgnZFqHDHmHlxJQgGIrrytYXpIQdpj51fnDNQ+9XhMRoHOf+Ejtx5fdv1PwPqg8sSoYy4F TZBN5ES7+61pWGVWmYIOm5rHldEe9cMbCetdB7Ca1Z7AFAFyA0y58OGe5vAwA3jcJ3u8dihc7 dMddquzXgJ9dp0EIlPFrFw5fHBsqddaLI7pFkLU98wokBaQm68ElJa4B5xtAPT0xr/Pp7ddfs SYM/l66EutOyiSTh9ZfXghaV7UnPxHnFwx6Plh44AzqLFpHL0B7GGcUZdFTaEJvegS+RG0Jm7 ETl/aPHn9+a4L3kF/56NAzcBfkt4m8NJbKT8yJFqVXsRCBylG63yO9G5RFk9X0LLmoHMTl/D7 FdJVWgEEJAfYwKkxCu+Pm45rkqsg1jXod33EfvIGHCRWvYxIcxvqmy7zit5Tr4XtD9gUJTNVG QkcZM+ewZq/v8h8WRAKsQFsT9TAUfw3mRZmz0jomAkRbjtVI/yMKz72g3NvXlUVf0OwYJ/a17 KAT1fQBLB+H0dVWXfPmwER8EGaa5MJGQHygHl9XX7jlVVqgOE8Jw4p28SRAcl+rhZYmeoWpaC jdtzLxoOEBZz7aLEuJmInzHAoG4VZUVKNipqBg1q99HDV5grUKDaUyrrfuvBfndUC8CQeYGUP G1Rjxac9Z1UKzrXOH9B02/vpL5ED+3g4J/PPW/In+U4DjGbpUM8vVuc7Hj01Rk1raXJfIKmk4 GoTzCrrPA9BaRe/1Mnz4FwCvXkTRWA9HasWnvZqXehtbtV+1sFVZQutftsxZnznTtRNU9DSq X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:246953 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: Hi Stefan, >> However, we will loose features of remote asynchronous processes. At >> least (and not comprehensive), processes started via make-process >> >> - are not checked for passwords or other interactive dialogues >> - do not not support multi-hops anymore >> - cannot be killed via interrupt-process (??? I'm not sure) >> - do not tell the remote tty >> - ... > > How 'bout a user-config setting? > At least the first two's importance depend on the user's situation or > usage pattern. It's not so simple to decide for a user. I fear myriads of bug reports towards Tramp, if make-process behaves differently depending on user config. Experience shows, that there aren't so many people who respond to Tramp bug reports. > I can't judge on the rest: the 3rd is unsure and I don't understand the 4th. The 4th problem means, that process-tty-name cannot return proper information anymore for that kind of remote processes. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.