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Mon, 11 May 2020 02:36:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7979fef4-5df8-4997-95fd-c5be5887ab44@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 10 May 2020 09:26:01 -0700 (PDT)") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Zg1En+ZstB17D3hyFRd4w2tW6TVl0nvNMjkIXlAa+NQd8PTJDlw xnee7x/B0+HcgG5rkGJ2L438sMiLZXiFZutI83Zkiri8Yrnw1hLQHK6kpEYFPZVCVlzLfXb wwW+d/kV0oc/NFTjITeKgMqh3nphSi+xVpNSQ7gBZ/O2B6JtF5SMDJCwktmWdxgZl6h2cV8 94hcOeDTPHsP0H4hgwwHw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+NqfcOq3akM=:5z/Z2lfVXZtDV/QaKX2rKN qpGn6ziW+1Omrb7vYwDUDtpoaIPBjYP2n6msCsrgyBZ5Bqaq28gXuZkrXrRDxNxLcxxRH5TiN 2mBrcjuzwB1h9B/TB8j8MlP0G4zyhzojXHVn8vrAOG7PagkVyPrbFtJIK4VNQzYsMpE1VoFN/ UBR9Ih4Ps3jA/V5pPBTMvc0eUjkOOm9NFXdA5TiY/zP+SENXT1af2idAZ8cY7+bCGF9DwmP/x TfFk/hQlrDezLTvERUz2643YWHfUev0yiLU25e+mlWnFSia1mQvZXyqY3+cZX6oo6YqI/y8Jw Owe0p63HH0O/kmpt9WWzHufpyHqM14+mYk+yAgyu+hAXC6rUrALdSVWjDs53BPj2g14cpE522 PD0x3QNG+Y75RzhzKth+mYqcp91sT5NJvbmioMWyN4CMVMEVPxu3jatzOO6OSGq1Pkijg5wv8 rOt840jlLqhDytAk4aFgKVTK6S/nfgPfXHwXFiChfdQbGQYnLGMJpfB1EwEM9Yc+/UnfDMFnw OBFeGXur78YOqGGHFam4CJRMLkc//S35QSthjPpOjQx26p5LcaCX5U2LtYJDH0OgI8O6pT3mt f4Eu3Koix7pxseLCE/XrCz2RPZf773rDyIppzoTaeX/DMKTQk3l9kc1Rq/ODVhTOso5bu7atd Syx25MPxltbzQ23ZBGITblrf+19wS28y3D0kZ6EVsA/SGgSiYSZjm0cWXgMWRsK7aSpDVGH10 MIdZeUaWwBlGnRsm34z7DKJAHd9XFFpyTCRXsnLLg1du5vWfYbZ3yOE9VWPChbmV/8oHRWnK X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180037 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > > Because t toggles marks, and C is not a mark, it's a flag. > > This is not true. Let's please not go there. But if you think so (and I somewhat agree), isn't then the first sentence in the docstring that Eli didn't touch: "Toggle marks: marked files become unmarked, and vice versa." even more confusing? I guess Eli wanted to avoid a sentence like "and files marked with marks other than the * mark don't count as marked." But the inconsistency goes much further, we say that commands operate on the "marked" files, but we mean only the *-marked files. So I guess the terminology is "marked with" applies to any mark and "marked" only to files marked with *, and "unmarked" means "doesn't have any mark". Oh dear, it's like learning English modal verbs. I think we can be more specific in the docstring, and I also don't like to introduce the second term "flag" here since it is somewhat linked to deletion indeed, and it's meaning is as fluent as "mark" - that doesn't help. Ok, would something like this be a compromise? - Toggle marks: marked files become unmarked, and vice versa. - Files marked with other flags (such as `D') are not affected. + Toggle marks: marked files become unmarked, and vice versa. + This means that files marked with `*' are unmarked and files that don't + have any mark are marked with `*'. Files marked with any + characters other than `*' are uneffected. (the term "marker character" is already used in the manual.) Regards, Michael.