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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87eelvplvh.fsf@posteo.net> References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29211"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Marcel Ventosa , thibaut.verron@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 17:59:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUB5O-0007Up-3q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:59:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56488 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUB5N-00010z-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52308) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUB4Q-0008DF-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:58:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:60835) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUB4L-00047b-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:58:06 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E45222400FE for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:57:55 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1603036675; bh=w3CVdSunZWP9NA7h2+OTjWMjkrbdwcYvN8RmaZqd6x0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=rzocd64t3zaKN746MlecjgyxG6cFN4F6M5Us9tpKYClo1ZvIayMjSjsU7QdOQddI6 4Af0A8q8WpHg9RGiFFRjdW22F/p4a2qv++9bWNBNuzyWX8ki39Qk7IKA5V2H/vcPFo v4CHD1LLydQmQ58jltjksU1DxbrbFxnPiV8myElF85HzjI33BYI0LUuoy3Zha/uFXh DGJNNroRTMAmnyBIUA8sIO2bKY2J/ecpsrMlAkjdqpKCs/TtUHqoO9A9Fgz/JTwKmM gLXNfLcE/88bMA0dP/icvPGZwUzo4lQKCAIQtfYKJtP7dFUacwsLUHYGPu/Vb9M0wO LOq6eQR8pRsQA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4CDl0M1nZQz6tmr; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:57:55 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:10:02 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/18 11:41:19 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258039 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > In fact, I would go the extra mile and say Emacs should expressly warn > > users over the dangers of installing proprietary software from > > unofficial repositories > > That could be a good idea. What would be good occasions on which to warn? > > Perhaps in list-packages when it sees a non-GNU repo, or when it sees MELPA? > > Perhaps in describe-package and packageinstall, when the package comes > from a non-GNU repo, or specifically from MELPA? > > Any other ideas? This is a weaker suggestion: Maybe packages could have a tag to signal that they are related to proprietary software, that could be then displayed both via list-packages and describe-package? I'm fairly sure that MELPA would encourage or even require people to add this tag. Most software on MELPA is "ok", and people (like me) choose to use it because is offers more packages than ELPA. > (by the way, I always just assumed MELPA was > > somehow official and related to ELPA, because its name is so similar to > > ELPA). > > Yes, this is a source of confusion. > > Perhaps we should renamme GNU ELPA to a name that will avoid this confusion. > Maybe GNU EP (GNU Emacs Packages)? > > EP is not meaningful to those who don't know what it means. But > neither is ELPA. People understand it only if they have been told. > So EP is no worse than ELPA. > > WDYT? There shouldn't be any reason for ELPA to rename itself, it should be clear that MELPA is not official, as it is not pre-configured. -- Philip K.