From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brooks Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: character sets as they relate to =?utf-8?B?4oCcUmF34oCd?= string literals for elisp Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:57:32 -0700 Message-ID: <87ee8yrnfn.fsf@db48x.net> References: <4209edd83cfee7c84b2d75ebfcd38784fa21b23c.camel@crossproduct.net> <87v92ft9z6.fsf@db48x.net> <87o885tyle.fsf@db48x.net> <83k0it6lu5.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0isu7hz.fsf_-_@db48x.net> <87a6jotszy.fsf@db48x.net> <87mtnnrugv.fsf_-_@db48x.net> <83lf362vwx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2587"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 20:58:56 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC7z-0000V4-PM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 20:58:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37906 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC7y-0003GA-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41618) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC6n-00013A-Fo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out-4.mxes.net ([2605:d100:2f:10::315]:38952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC6l-0003J5-Ig for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4HPkGj4SKMz3c9m; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mxes.net; s=mta; t=1633546654; bh=aH6IwyDFQclBShiaqMwFb13jNJlUKKa+Kw7TGjzkTok=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=On3n3Os24aXD//vOSE25Fp3qACEcQpAjw4P4NN8wt5x+dmvbP2QvJYfrGaYGrNEid ij8yxHg1Po9nIbj51CAe2l9T6XkHPZPztDKOO2CEqa2IAgka2iT7yYcMNQi/BzVwfT xSLCgR9h6f+RujpVoIcMGVWVu6u17fjV0L19HMNQ= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGOfPtRkwAAABJQ TFRFpKfbdou67PD6JjJgAwUWXGSeIcyLHgAAAkZJREFUOI1VU8Fy6yAMxLi+Q13fCZ3cnQL3dqTc 7RD+/1feStDXVnXHDuvVSivZTMba2GPdw3gyCGcMAFxTyrTd9dwGoxHiZX9PmRFUHYAQlGGtXY+F Uk0SJOxgJiUEnH1qkitT9D+pQub7qGAmUbR6bu3CvI96Yv6QqkBBMrsyfZccr1/RDXGDTLf4P7ZY glVxe2V+/ACXWO1gvDO9/gDRpFFVmPluvLcmBjd5H6d8DEte+Pbk4rcY/Fa5tLKLOtCZsuQKYhpa LOkYDT7hESya7/WIET3lfQBqX0pwFtbI832Is0ayMUR9B+12xjgPCQ089cfwkCkX6L5TPmRelJTh zMS0Sz1PyjLAMCUWjcmgQLWQMds+e3aaauZDf9dU9A2/8kPVF2odCUoMKHkfjJR+mbgC+DRiycw5 3XSqGe6HmhN/AWjHypkAXOAFW5EiuA1ge2GiZuMb0s1fSEXcATeLUfbyEY2L8yPOmdSsdghQXx3K pz2eoeXuYvMCINVFDrCdNfVUp4eJ6cSEbjbgFjBEvonGGTrgv9cHjAc8aVgSAPoxaONbzfwhDIhR at7IIS7fAGiDSwIA9alhhTBzfA7YM2FY6eMwayrIGK8FDFmshmUA43WqhFtpvoqG9HHaJ7fqtgTz 8EWVkgZgtsylFliHDgk0MB7KAEC45C/rgnGvanNLXyzOeTzcT2nw/N44gfrtYXRQLoz9Q3TgmJRx 2Mx/Q51qzpm+l3m8z2SWBqC5+PZXAtNYlGFf/gKfHfjFkDT4x7od7R+w3Ls+ZdQBuQAAAABJRU5E rkJggg== In-Reply-To: <83lf362vwx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:13:34 +0300") X-Sent-To: Received-SPF: none client-ip=2605:d100:2f:10::315; envelope-from=db48x@db48x.net; helo=smtp-out-4.mxes.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276446 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Daniel Brooks >> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:13:20 -0700 >>=20 >> So one assumption that you might make is that new source code being >> added to Emacs must use characters from a version of Unicode which is >> known to have wide compatibility, rather than immediately jumping to the >> bleeding=E2=80=93edge version? That would be perfectly reasonable. > > Except that it will only work if you use a very recent Emacs. People > are still using Emacs 24 out there, and many are using Emacs 26, which > supports Unicode 11.0 (the latest version is 14.0). > > And that's before we even begin to think about people who use other > programs to look at our files. I=E2=80=99m afraid that this is not very convincing, for it means that we c= an never move an inch. db48x