From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:39:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87ee1isi8r.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <20160205215301.GG7727@acm.fritz.box> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8112"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , John Wiegley , 22564@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 27 16:45:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1njivV-0001uk-23 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njivT-0001AS-Vh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:45:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njipu-0000sH-OZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njipl-00014H-SW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1njipl-00044D-Pc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.165107038415591 (code B ref 22564); Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2022 14:39:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43909 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1njipU-00043P-0r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1njipS-000439-FK for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:39:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4pESdJMnB8bc6kMlhaqORXnLXz44AmyCakoFSdK21yA=; b=Sl9jP5JnxWCXY6gsSn2SnS7GBk 5NEcGjLcl2KZMiNGtDJVpbaTVSkPVIYxqRSEPQfylixXNpdbPFwsP+xXE8Y0A18JfxT9o5JlyAVIi QghOLp87dU3dvH8N3Fk4/W7jQnYH773HPvPMQSg3mg7SC+uRNGcml3xsug2QFijRVHjM=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1njipJ-0006Ew-4L; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:39:35 +0200 X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _This Woman's Work II_: "The Big Sky (Meteorological Mix)" In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:50:27 -0800") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:230792 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: > I would rather that fundamental-mode be as non-magical as possible also. > Anything content-aware (like electric indentation) smacks of enriched behavior > over what is fundamental. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) The issue is whether modes like `electric-indent-mode' should be disabled in fundamental-mode buffers. But I don't think that disabling all global minor modes in fundamental-mode will yield a pleasant result, especially as so many things are now defined as global minor modes. By default, a fundamental-mode buffer in "emacs -Q" has the following: Global minor modes enabled: Auto-Encryption Blink-Cursor Electric-Indent File-Name-Shadow Global-Eldoc Global-Font-Lock Show-Paren Tooltip Transient-Mark For instance, we certainly don't want the cursor to not blink in a fundamental-mode buffer, or not have transient-mark not work. So I don't think we want to change anything here, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no