From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id 4CYNBQYMsmLKpwAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:20:54 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id oPYABAYMsmIJIAAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:20:54 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACE0D413D7 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:20:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:42926 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3iUe-0005Wq-8a for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:20:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3iTh-0005Ud-1x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:19:53 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:44521) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3iTe-00018l-Uw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:19:52 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D569824010A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:19:47 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1655835587; bh=eEgQrYrk7x7rKvSdBRJ95xkRHcphg3ZK9gY4O7M/CZ8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=U05x815v9NHNcCzRbHfsEQ7KAmW0PT2ammH/EcOpNfIM86nnBKReB6ymjdNE4X8e2 +QHogr8lsIGBoJxFIJ7yxqn4L8qKqFeovyOSyerqCAJ/V7pwibG8lNCy/zKGqxLcn7 CjuCLaiqAyv+lWWmDwsbc+FZQJlA6zuIJX//MZuo1dnVbNOSiwzI+9+G8NmnUqNojy vVaH3PFMzNOd318iOGwT7tpfDThMRt5vtbtJErXTE71hKrkxujmuShhnK41YfP++EO MA2csJ/JWbS8NQcaUjlg/LvCC3u+KvTjNd49NLbELKo9d31EhOUsbFuYrg2siuLkgY k702DHIYU/PKg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4LSFD3100Sz6tmj; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:19:46 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Max Nikulin Cc: orgmode Subject: Re: About 'inline special blocks' References: <87a6b8pbhg.fsf@posteo.net> <875ykwvmz7.fsf@posteo.net> <87bkunb1e5.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:19:44 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Max Nikulin's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:39:17 +0700") Message-ID: <87edzhx4jj.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655835653; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Q+gwHiXXd5ZVKFihzQ9bTHSswI2NJPr6+Cr6+dsjD+g=; b=r/0IEq+Kx3n8MzFHCP/kb1y3bV0IMgpGW3xI88s8UE0YyM+rzY7Y/LKzDB80YQZ4wIKCiy XPnOhRJbC/5FG45HhDp5wzAQCBgqAIP3wcTa8qWWgNEumZFgKDzXfYZRAO+Lm6MtTj7mkd 3rD9s3BQUbghcHTwMo0hoQ0Ahb8LqdJHmQAjx6gatNZy/6FoOmP4XQ/2YYQIVZ5VBAgY0f 4urK/WjF2QYTJJqYMMORdf8QPol7XfhiQ+xi/wtudsMVUoXy5D0oUkjgukjyLWz9YWGTuy 8BE2Qru1rMOi8F22q3+ZlzjEbjYEXPzA9WIHhQaf632hztzSY/Gx1BSDmQzXKg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655835653; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=g9AJY1NJzYtmJHzDvcbMqYjpQ3xnsG5OsdQOAaD/J7lnK/NEqwdKG6DSKhRC0zjQZPvZ4Z HGCzPVyTvnbFiY29CLmNgepzi5rL4f64kEZCI9RvYjhmHLsWbsYZNRD6Y6AKr0F/4KZrff Ph5kP+geLY2Kszhcu+yRcprGtzw3HsUF8Sx1PPafeE+2Xpe7zXVHy3LjZXJz1FVwCjUsZV qFpLT2+vmOPmNySXaV/5EnEiiR+8XI5hWnjuGqfJ2wtj7utUvh3HQLydpVC0obbEzl+mtF 6MbEJuIpDSkHgi3TYBcrbshulj26eyKPp+egAbYb0nL6PA/QtoAmg1jJVVOLnQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=U05x815v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.67 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=U05x815v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ACE0D413D7 X-Spam-Score: -2.67 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 7NAS1wbUOfLX Max Nikulin writes: > If alternative text for images and description of > links are not convincing [...] It does convince me, Maxim, that's why I told you in my previous message that you were right in that example you had put about the alternate text. And my question was (and still is) if you consider that a scenario of this type, where the attributes are part of the content and not the output format (and the latter happens in 90% of the cases) could occur in the inline special blocks. If so, then I'm fine with inline special blocks supporting attributes. But in my opinion this data should somehow go outside the paragraph. Or be hidden as in the links. I still think, however, that the attributes are unnecessary for inline special blocks. I can't find any examples where they might be needed and not something that is resolved at the global style level[1] or via export filter. But I'm open to considering examples and use cases. [1] There are cases in LaTeX of commands with more than one argument, e.g. \foreignlanguage{lang}{content}, \textcolor{color}{content} and the like. But even those can be simplified from the preamble by defining macros with a single argument. And in Babel you can also do something like \babeltags{de = german} and write \textde{text in german}. The csquotes package is an extreme case, where there are intra-paragraph commands that take optional arguments to \cite and punctuation, but I think org-cite would be more appropriate in these cases: \foreigntextquote{lang}[cite][punct]{text} Best regards, Juan Manuel