From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: <87edt2qpoa.fsf__13238.1924589694$1671011558$gmane$org@localhost> References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: David Masterson , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 14 10:52:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5ORE-0009ad-6K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:52:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OQt-0008Q8-7i; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:52:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OQm-0008M0-Hu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:52:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OQl-0005Dx-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:52:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OQk-0007Q5-Vv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:52:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59882 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59882-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59882.167101147828500 (code B ref 59882); Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59882) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2022 09:51:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OQ1-0007Pc-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:47691) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5OPz-0007PV-Et for 59882@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:51:16 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C704240104 for <59882@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:51:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1671011469; bh=eEar9lDI0ZzeC6utT+dwqfh4waCDbrC7DEv3rFOuqb8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=BKTHCGasZDIeeqlguqGpPaalTosuX6SuHWalZ2JEAuUMYulb9ZZq/wBQMsedyRvxA C4/tk/voikqFEaPKUY2aCO9w1brQXaKgmwmaZzU2e8Xp548KI7bGZzZ0UWQWDLbYy5 UFgb/d3ehTmMuHHg9fQ19oSRmNmLBlTES0VomiFcEVXtRyhegdHRhm8GGMlR8QWizR KnWTqU1WEvhwJcgj6B+xVeK/kWS5gfVBusDQ39d5a7P0vgo3bKtoVAmCIHhrHCG85F 85fe0PdoxXIHkLBV2eSeftlc6su2BgJm+yTOcfzqrGIrBiwC0oYWRDzRzSgks/7Hpd EnavROMbPdcyg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NX9bs6c41z6tnl; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:51:03 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250923 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> So, 'describe-variable' on org-version causes Org to be loaded?!? > > Why is it so surprising? Is this the first time you see that a Help > command loads something to do its job? On a related note, is it normal that package like org-mouse.el gets loaded upon calling C-h f org-mouse- completion prompt? org-mouse.el does not contain a single autoload cookie. I am asking because org-mouse.el advises some functions and its loading may cause unexpected consequences. See https://orgmode.org/list/87r0x6sju1.fsf@fastmail.fm At the same time, we have users complaining about some defcustoms not being available without loading. https://orgmode.org/list/25496.19258.682537.503614@gargle.gargle.HOWL I feel confused about the situation. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at