From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming merge of adaptive-wrap Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87ede5u3yd.fsf@gmx.net> References: <878r4eqjh8.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <878r4eqjh8.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 25 11:02:35 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rSwZ8-0008iq-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:02:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rSwYU-0000Wx-6v; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 05:01:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rSwYK-0000We-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 05:01:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rSwYI-0006Zd-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 05:01:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=s31663417; t=1706176892; x=1706781692; i=stephen.berman@gmx.net; bh=QKldEEbOVdRzr9d9stFdeTD5zD2OfgK64C5bipNr10Q=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Date; b=Jsvyh1XmHqYTh02DZuu0oTBs1pj3SDWwmb0lVKP/Mbws7sDYx1PbRz1aS8TbwmIS FCgNpgZmijCw71b16y8Y8gglLemtRw5S6wFRaKP8QtiY0qmrYxmaZ6rSCrUlGIi9u Yn52dCDTHikzgX0SOPJxCS368bWkUk3Z2g8oYe8iJEwURq2PGKIj1U07agsOwwwbw QXamVo1wBCKBZAfX/g8A/l2MyGFjuqlMCjBvO+KCW7FrfvoXI1SsrdDoDWzjfYn/s 6Eo53xVPpUD5eiEzlErluAogntU/eD52eO6mxyDWSbOPJH9OloaePYv5GTO0iLqqH vwn1IyFo6Tpkmi9W7A== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from strobelfs2 ([94.134.95.182]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M89L1-1rOFiR0p9P-005Lvh; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:01:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878r4eqjh8.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2024 09:39:47 +0800") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XF3GR/Jr9hdOuNW5893eaeddxYY63dp6G12zL+B82nTGOPY4fop 8hmZellN029UN93weQyX3xaQoxUWnuZ8d+pMzbOLo04+cOeA1F5ihEWZg0V3xJnPSEzEMaC 0H+gT2cGt3TpbN9+Z3zIyEJDOKZrMj22O3Flnd7TQn8+d58Qu1faPbFukXYenmuvS/Ha8/a Fnf1sPB9OZgHqgWyxeh4g== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:X/c/gfbEr9A=;AaRr8ZmAyJ3MSeQMFL77NvXZcXu 4WMqhtigVZK6UPG2larMRR/aaBrOMsk3I5ru/9EU8DCY+mf7RTJHujk7KPhqw5/BZ01PI/oPV FBHhKcdhK77uzgSrFP0LlGjVZe7zteKu/7tlvHMkOW8wQDh5DfLwFUtW98cy5VdRVqLB9zrBj R8aapIFYh5/0yAAk8DH/rShR78Pa93l+sfxiRnDomuH9x11pajz/FijaHQH9c5zGFRhC/SbJK fBMzaIwRPGK5vUAFsPjkauPZUF15X6E83eZ1j18j8dRY/oT5GFJAirMJiD5v/mulT+8dGFNRK 3GiH08/LUgQnMxEaFJTIDQ4DsV2z9YquLB8DEO9AlTEialZ34BqO2i0E5sTNOEo9VUUNJxhBu SDr2F/NM1jwPF06uaJgcz8fk1zpw83EKAYW6aww0eG1F1Fsda7i/obBC1f4EKuDcc+DUrtQ+B ttLXzhrhFU8lZiCETRn3Vl9d7ww0lQrbUeOjqowF2HU6DuqmV4T7x22upia55KqxZh0tR+7d+ +orKxBBgjTLPaKX7RuDqwy4wdqU7WS8hrq+u4QZ8hlI7dousGEcu80nYIMKtaAyN/Td2VRoAY TQYOY/uzVmDa4Gz6ySqJLiF4aMb7tqK56OKqiY8Oz1zpD6i5IUFvXKukuYq5s7jrN/udVkiuX N4Go6gAMIZ/19x5/NZDYUsqCb+K8rxuv2MM2KxFApS+ZzrOlzNfXi/HctECityWuQVv/7yWnq LMZRfI2462DbKNdHQGs1noiRzuOHyPE6vmTwVVbYBPb7i2DiyynwDc3HP8p5kJrNBG8rfNhb Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=stephen.berman@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315342 Archived-At: Sorry for not responding to your message from last August 10, which I have just found again; FWIW I have these excuses for my negligence: First, I was on vacation at the time and didn't see the message till around two weeks later. Second, you wrote in that message: > Stefan, what do you say to this? Since the package in ELPA, migrating > it into Emacs should not pose any legal difficulties, so the only > prerequisites are suitable entries in NEWS and the documentation, > correct? >From this I thought you were addressing Stefan Monnier, who is nominally the co-author of the package (but actually is responsible for the most important part of the implementation). Third, I didn't know (or had forgotten) that I'm still listed as maintainer of the package, a role that I've not wanted to have for a long time. In fact, in a private exchange in June 2020 as followup to bug#41810, Stefan asked K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec if he would like to assume the maintainership, though AFAIK neither that question nor the bug report have been resolved; I've added both to the Cc:. In any case, I have no objection to moving adaptive-wrap from GNU ELPA to Emacs core; but whatever the outcome, I would like to be removed as maintainer. Thanks. Steve Berman On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 09:39:47 +0800 Po Lu wrote: > Several months ago I tried to contact the maintainer of adaptive-wrap > regarding the inclusion of his package into Emacs proper, who did not > respond over all the months that have since passed. (In general I was > met with stony silence. It's funny how pandemonium erupts when a minor > proposal to introduce _new_ code appears, but the same people wash their > hands of minor chores required for the code to remain useful.) It's a > fair bet that the package maintainer is not actively engaged in its > development anymore, so if I hear no serious objections in the next few > days I will write the documentation and merge this invaluable feature > into master. > > I think placing the package on ELPA was unwise and would not have taken > place but for our obsession with moving things to ELPA. Minor features > will never justify the hassle of browsing through the package list, > downloading them from the Internet, and updating them with each new > release of Emacs that obsoletes this or that feature. For the future, > could we please adopt at least the following two criteria for installing > packages in ELPA rather than Emacs? They're not very precise but better > than nothing. > > - The package is of sufficient size to be worthy of Internet > installation, and provides features in demand high enough that users > proactively research and install them. > > - The package maintainer desires that it be distributed over ELPA. > > Even those proprietary text editors developed behind closed doors do not > relegate useful text editing features to their extension repositories. > Users are forced to distribute small enhancements there, because the > developers of such text editors are not receptive to users acting on > their own initiatives. We are not so conceited, and should make the > most of this advantage of ours.