From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70984: 30.0.50; Improved support for entering quotation marks, Re: bug#70984: 30.0.50; Improved support for entering quotation marks Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 14:10:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87eda0iqqs.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r0e1j03u.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0e1j03u.fsf@gmail.com> <86cypliwf5.fsf@gnu.org> <87msooj305.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0e0c0i3.fsf@gmx.net> <87ikzcizjm.fsf@gmail.com> <87msoobvy5.fsf@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1066"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 70984@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 14:12:14 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s7wRa-000AWl-Ar for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Stephen> That probably would have spared me my momentary puzzlement and= the brief Stephen> time it took me to discover 'C-x 8 <' and 'C-x 8 >', but I'm n= ot sure Stephen> that makes them NEWSworthy. Since people don=CA=BCt read NEWS, does it matter? =F0=9F=98=89 It can=CA= =BCt hurt. >> I=CA=BCm more doubtful about my choices for the German quotation mar= ks in >> the C-x 8 map. They correspond to the keys that have '(' and ')' on >> the US keyboard, but not the German standard keyboard, but they=CA= =BCre >> easy to type on both layouts. I could put them on 'C-x 8 8' and 'C-x= 8 >> 9', since those can produce '[' and ']' in the German layout, which = is >> kind of mnemonic. Stephen> Yeah, and also shifted '8' and '9' produce "(" and ")" in the = German Stephen> layout, so using '8' and '9' for another pairing seems better = motivated Stephen> for the German iso-transl map than '9' and '0'. OK, I can make that change. >> (The official German layout has them on 2nd or 3rd >> level shift variants of 'x' and 'v', which I thought was too >> convoluted to emulate). 'AltGr =C3=97 S-v' to produce "=E2=80=98", for example, where '= =C3=97' is located where I=CA=BCd put ESC. Stephen> Probably. To add to the convolution, I use a German keyboard = under Stephen> Xfce4 with the no dead keys layout, and that assigns "=E2=80= =9E" to AltGr-v and Stephen> "=E2=80=9C" to AltGr-b; no idea why... That=CA=BCs a gratuitous but coherent difference from the T2 layout, and much easier to type. 'C-x 8 v' and 'C-x 8 b' (and thus 'A-v' and 'A-b') are unused by iso-transl, we could put them there as well (or only there) for the German language, since they seem sensible. Where do you have "=E2=80=9A" and "=E2=80=98"? We can copy those as well. Robert --=20