From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brockman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:00:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87d5qpt23j.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118761978 19203 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 15:12:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 17:12:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiD4o-0000vP-Pe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:11:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiD9p-0007s0-S1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiD6g-000544-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiD6d-000504-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiD6a-0004YY-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DiCsM-0006xv-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DiCla-0005mG-Ci for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:51:50 +0200 Original-Received: from c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.112.182.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:51:50 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:51:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se X-Face: :&2UWGm>e24)ip~'K@iOsA&JT3JX*v@1-#L)=dUb825\Fwg#`^N!Y*g-TqdS AevzjFJe96f@V'ya8${57/T'"mTd`1o{TGYhHnVucLq!D$r2O{IN)7>.0op_Y`%r;/Q +(]`3F-t10N7NF\.Mm0q}p1:%iqTi:5]1E]rDF)R$9.!,Eu'9K':y9^U3F8UCS1M+A$ 8[[[WT^`$P[vu>P+8]aQMh9giu&fPCqLW2FSsGs User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JTQ+LFn1QUQTXjmjE6qQHno6t5A= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38818 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38818 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > mouse-1 should not follow any links -- that action is too > confusing. On the contrary, _not_ following links and _not_ activating buttons as a response to mouse-1 events is very confusing. > mouse-1 double-click should follow a link > in every mode when point is over a marked link or > in a mode where a whole line is a link. I don't have anything againt the idea of double clicks for cases where the link/button does not look like a link or a button, and the user is (a) likely not to expect mouse-1 to follow/activate the link/button, and (b) likely to want to use mouse-1 to set point on that particular piece of text, for example because most of the buffer is made up of links/buttons. > mouse-1 should set point. That should always be the normal case. The case when the pointer is over a link or a button should be exceptional. > As far as I can see, this will be OK both for novices coming and > for experts. In what way is it ok to highlight a piece of text as a familiar web browser link, and then _not_ bind the familiar mouse-1 to follow it? The same holds (probably even more so) for buttons: the concept of clicking mouse-1 to activate a button is so basic to GUI usage that deviating from the standard is like having an elevator with buttons that you need to lick to activate. -- Daniel Brockman