From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brockman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: link appearance and soft face properties Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:45:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87d5qhyf5b.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119232346 23968 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2005 01:52:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 20 03:52:25 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBSG-0002FT-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:52:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBYO-0008Qd-AK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:58:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBXO-00083Y-4l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBXK-00081C-Vf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:57:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBXJ-0007yq-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DkBJK-0003NL-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DkBAz-0007f9-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:34:13 +0200 Original-Received: from c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.112.182.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:34:13 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:34:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se X-Face: :&2UWGm>e24)ip~'K@iOsA&JT3JX*v@1-#L)=dUb825\Fwg#`^N!Y*g-TqdS AevzjFJe96f@V'ya8${57/T'"mTd`1o{TGYhHnVucLq!D$r2O{IN)7>.0op_Y`%r;/Q +(]`3F-t10N7NF\.Mm0q}p1:%iqTi:5]1E]rDF)R$9.!,Eu'9K':y9^U3F8UCS1M+A$ 8[[[WT^`$P[vu>P+8]aQMh9giu&fPCqLW2FSsGs User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:s2NqqReezK0jUtaRRGwP6x8NJq8= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39136 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39136 "Drew Adams" writes: > The distinction of soft from hard that I was driving at is, as I > mentioned, the difference between using Emphasis and Bold markup > tags: Emphasis text is intended to be displayed in different ways, > depending on the context; Bold text is not. It is the difference > between software and hardware. Softer vs harder is essentially later > vs earlier binding. > > Such a distinction is old - you can see it in the design, for > instance, of Tex/LaTex. Maybe there is a better name for it than > "soft vs hard" - I don't know. I'm used to ``semantic vs. presentational'' (very common in web-related circles). Semantic markup (e.g., emphasis) is part of the meaning of the text, regardless of the way the text is displayed. Presentational markup (e.g., bold) is meaningless out of its presentational context. There is a close analogy with source vs. object code. The former is more portable than the latter. But the latter is directly usable, while the former is mostly only used when editing the work. -- Daniel Brockman ``so really, we all have to ask ourselves: am i waiting for rms to do this?'' --- Thien-Thi Nguyen