From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:56:56 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134724213 26702 80.91.229.2 (16 Dec 2005 09:10:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 16 10:10:05 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnBaG-0006xn-0u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:09:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnBZN-0003pn-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:08:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnB0U-0002aF-86 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnB0R-0002Y4-SV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:32:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnB0Q-0002X1-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:31:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnB2o-0004lw-V1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:34:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-33-94-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.33.94]) by Relayhost1.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541C8C83A; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:31:31 +0200 (EET) Original-To: Aidan Kehoe In-Reply-To: <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:52:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47849 Archived-At: > > What an irony that the goal of Gnome developers was to design an easy-= to-use > > file dialog, and now no one can use it without hints acquired from oth= ers. > > It=E2=80=99s an irony if you ignore that their goal was to design a dialo= g that was > easy to use for naive users. I doubt very much that removing useful features to make a simplistic UI will persuade naive users to use the Gnome environment. So I still don't understand what is the target audience of Gnome developers. > In 2005, naive users do not use any form of emacs, in general, By analogy with GTK2 dialog windows, removing features from Emacs to make it similar to Notepad will make naive users happy :-) > and even the experts are abandoning it today. Why do they abandon it? And what do they prefer instead? --=20 Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/