From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: <87d5egrb4c.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <17491.34779.959316.484740@parhasard.net> <17498.27200.911709.330947@parhasard.net> <877j4z5had.fsf@gmx.de> <87irohfrx1.fsf@gmx.de> <87iroarr9i.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1147613563 21383 80.91.229.2 (14 May 2006 13:32:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, alkibiades@gmx.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 14 15:32:40 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfGi7-0008H8-Ji for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:32:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfGi6-00035p-VG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FfGhs-00035X-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FfGhr-000355-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfGhr-000352-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.4] (helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfGk1-0002iq-AB; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Original-Received: from alfajor ([70.55.144.14]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060514133220.AFK27612.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 50F15D7754; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 13 May 2006 16:41:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54441 Archived-At: >> Because this is a serious cause of unreliability. > I don't see why you'd think so. Could you expand? > If Lisp files get executed and compiled in different ways > according to the user's settings, this is unreliability of a > very bad kind. In theory I agree. But the problem is fixed in emacs-unicode, there are known workarounds in Emacs-CVS, and fixing it in Emacs-CVS is going to be difficult. > Handa says that telling people "don't use utf-8" solves the problem. Additionally to "don't use unify-8859-on-decoding" which causes similar problems (which we already bumped into a few years ago when we included unify-8859-on-decoding) with iso8859 chars and coding systems like iso-2022. > If that is a good solution, I think the problem is solved. OK, good. > Does everyone agree that that solution works? Don't know about everyone, but at least I do, Stefan