From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:48:24 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d4waxnw7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvhclmms1a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
This is a one-off suggestion to emacs-devel, and y'all can do what you
want to with it. Reply-To set to xemacs-beta where I plan to follow up.
Stefan Monnier writes:
> > Two frames always imply a fight: the window manager will try to find
> > places for them and decide on how to focus them. Getting a separate
> > window tamed is the matter of C-x 0 or C-x 1. In contrast, C-x 5 0 or
> > C-x 5 1 will leave one with a window configuration that might be worse
> > than if just one frame would have been placed.
The important implication of this is that window manager or init file
settings might leave the splash screen obscured. That's not what
Richard wants. David's particular configuration is not a big deal
(except to him), given the goal of this decision, but the complexity
of getting the splash screen on top is.
> But once you have a split-window display, it's not straightforward
> to a newbie how to get back to the single-window he's used to
So how about giving them a [X] in the divider? This lack is a UI bug
independent of the splash spiel.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-22 23:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 14:40 ` Leo
2007-09-09 17:32 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:00 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 18:19 ` Leo
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 21:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 22:59 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 17:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 2:48 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 5:44 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12 5:57 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 7:06 ` dhruva
2007-09-12 7:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 11:36 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-13 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 7:17 ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 8:03 ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:17 ` Tramp Michael Albinus
2007-09-12 20:20 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Tom Tromey
2007-09-12 20:48 ` Leo
2007-09-13 6:10 ` Jan Djärv
2007-09-12 11:17 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 15:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 15:15 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 23:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 19:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 9:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 8:22 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 5:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 18:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 4:08 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 7:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 10:57 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 11:27 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-19 23:45 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 1:24 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 8:50 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 18:34 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 16:34 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Davis Herring
2007-09-12 7:02 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 14:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 9:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2007-09-12 12:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-13 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:21 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:24 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:36 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-13 8:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 11:12 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-14 18:54 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-13 23:43 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-14 6:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 18:43 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-14 20:15 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-14 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-14 21:38 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-15 14:48 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-15 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-16 5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 7:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 5:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 22:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 5:39 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 9:30 ` Leo
2007-09-18 10:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 15:00 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-18 15:34 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 16:51 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-19 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 5:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 16:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 13:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-19 14:10 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-19 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-18 20:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-18 22:17 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-18 19:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 23:46 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:24 ` Leo
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 11:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-20 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 15:30 ` dhruva
2007-09-20 15:39 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-20 15:52 ` Bastien
2007-09-20 15:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 15:49 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 16:21 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-21 18:01 ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-21 19:38 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:46 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 17:45 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-20 18:35 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 19:12 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:19 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 20:13 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 20:22 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 23:57 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 7:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-21 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:11 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-22 20:03 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 20:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 23:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2007-09-23 0:33 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23 7:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 22:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:40 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 19:45 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 0:35 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-09-26 1:54 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-26 14:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 21:56 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 15:10 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:47 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-09-25 19:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 22:52 ` David Reitter
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 18:37 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:14 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:38 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:37 ` David Reitter
2007-09-25 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 7:59 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 14:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:03 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:10 ` echo area clicks: *Messages* David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:49 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 20:40 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 5:01 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-25 23:36 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 14:06 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 19:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-23 20:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 1:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24 2:00 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 20:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 16:59 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:25 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 15:46 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 7:03 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-26 16:29 ` mode line [X] Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 13:46 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Didier Verna
2007-09-22 20:01 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 4:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-23 7:50 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 22:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-24 6:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 20:07 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:15 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 20:17 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 20:23 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:28 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-21 22:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:12 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 21:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 23:55 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-25 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 17:37 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 14:59 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-20 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 8:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-09-16 9:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-17 22:03 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-17 22:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-18 5:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 5:43 ` dhruva
2007-09-15 10:17 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:55 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 22:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:20 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 18:57 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-16 4:41 ` tomas
2007-09-16 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-16 22:12 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-17 4:04 ` tomas
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:08 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-13 7:52 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-14 8:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 19:09 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 22:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:10 ` Leo
2007-09-10 23:19 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:24 ` Leo
2007-09-12 0:40 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-14 8:11 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-09 21:27 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-09 21:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-10 1:13 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 23:48 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-03 20:18 ` KingBolete
2007-10-04 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-08 4:16 ` tomas
2007-10-08 19:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 20:03 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-10 22:36 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 (was: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Sven Joachim
2007-11-10 22:43 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 1:14 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Richard Stallman
2007-10-09 6:39 ` tomas
2007-10-26 5:21 ` tomas
2007-09-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 2:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-10 5:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 23:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 0:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-11 5:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:45 ` Richard Stallman
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