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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Lost antialias?
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:06:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d4mamr9w.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ur6arfbrc.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:

 > > > I actually think that it might be not a good idea to change the
 > > > default font selection depending on the LANG setting.  What are the
 > > > advantages of such an approach?  Are there other GUI applications that
 > > > behave similarly?
 > > 
 > > It's fontconfig that does it, not Emacs.
 > 
 > But Emacs calls it, doesn't it?  So we could set up things for the
 > results to be consistent across LANG settings, if we decide that to be
 > TRT.

You don't want to do that.  The immediate counterexample is Japanese
and Chinese.  There is a complete overlap in repertoire for the
Japanese syllabary, as well as a 90% overlap in the most common hanzi.
This means that there will be no way currently available to Emacs to
detect the "right" font for text/plain;charset=utf-8 unless you pay
attention to locale.  This matters; Japanese and Chinese have quite
different tastes in glyphs, and as a non-reader of Chinese and a
non-native reader of Japanese, I have to say that to me, Chinese fonts
look more like pointillist art than text.

From the XEmacs sources:

    /* #### It's my branch, my favorite charsets get checked first!
       That's a joke, Son.
       Ie, I don't know what I'm doing, so my charsets first is as good as
       any other arbitrary order.  If you have a better idea, speak up! */

I've been ragged on about this on several occasions over the last
three or four years, but I still don't have a better idea---and
neither do my detractors.

I don't claim to have worked on it systematically, but with that
history do you think it's worth the hard work it will take to come up
with a "good" generic ordering?  That's up to you, of course.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-21 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13  8:33 Lost antialias? Angelo Graziosi
2008-06-13 11:21 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-13 13:01   ` Angelo Graziosi
2008-06-13 17:55     ` Thomas Baumann
2008-06-17 12:33     ` Christian.Lynbech
2008-06-15  0:53   ` Angelo Graziosi
2008-06-16  2:03     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-16  2:06       ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-16  5:55         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-16  6:30           ` Miles Bader
2008-06-16 11:36             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-16 16:32               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-17  0:46                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-17 18:01           ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-17 20:28             ` Miles Bader
2008-06-17 21:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-17 22:16               ` Angelo Graziosi
2008-06-20 23:29               ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-21  0:16                 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  0:43                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-21  1:04                     ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  2:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-21  3:34                       ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  4:22                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-21  4:52                           ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  6:23                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-21  6:56                               ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  8:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-21  8:29                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  9:00                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-21 21:06                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-06-21  7:46                             ` James Cloos
2008-06-21  7:57                               ` Miles Bader
2008-06-21  8:15                               ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-06-21 11:40                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-21 11:33                   ` Kenichi Handa
2008-06-21 18:08                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-21 19:42                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-22  1:57                         ` James Cloos
2008-06-24 18:14                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-16  8:23       ` Angelo Graziosi

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