From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:42:28 -0500 Organization: Still searching... 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In this thread, i think Eli Zaretskii took the Gold > for huffy-puffy. I've wanted to jump into this debate a few times but realized I had nothing to add that hadn't been said. But now I feel I must reply to this comment. Even though my comments are quite a ways off the subject. I'm not a developer, only a semi-longtime user. And in fact one of those semi-dunce users who often has a hard time learning about emacs. I can tell you that you are way off base in taking up a sort of feisty attitude to Eli. I can say first hand that over a period of years, probably at least 8 yrs, I've been getting answers to my questions from Eli. He has always been very professional. Sometimes Eli would state a fact that made it obvious that I hadn't thought very much before asking my question and sometimes that would make me want to respond in some off-hand feisty manner, But on reflection I'd invariably find that I was clearly off base and all Eli had done was force me to see that. So for your information and something to think about before you continue to argue, Eli has answered my (often dumb) questions patiently and at length for years... questions probably numbering in the several hundreds by now... That is not the act of someone who likes to huff and puff. Eli has even taken what was of value in my questions at times and used it to develop emacs to suite users like me. I'm thinking of a time a couple of years ago when I complained about the colors emacs defaulted to in console mode. Eli spent quite a bit of time helping me figure out which were a better set and then fixing that aspect of emacs. I can recall a time a few yrs ago when I had a particularly thorny problem I just could not seem to get right, Eli encouraged another developer who was more expert in that area to ssh into my machine and help me solve an emacs problem. Please take the time to review a few yrs of this group where you will see Eli's name steadfastly answering questions with lots of helpful information for any user who has posted a question. With a record like that Eli simply does not deserve that kind of comment. Please give your comments some more thought before making unjustified commentary, I've learned a considerable amount from posts of yours too, and have learned to expect a (welcome) somewhat different take on things. Usually helpful, from your posts. But to see comments like yours about ELi, hat just makes me want to skip your comments. Please extend some effort to keep things on an even keel.