feature request

feature request

[Robert D. Crawford]

I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems that
:title would be very useful.

I am pretty sure I could code this myself... doesn't seem to be terribly
difficult.  It is not likely though that I would ever contribute code to
anything else, so filling out the form and waiting for all of it to get
where it needs to go seems a bit of a waste.

Thanks for listening,
rdc
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Re: feature request

[Matthew Lundin]

Hi Robert,

"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:

> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems that
> :title would be very useful.

When I use w3m, the annotation substitution (%a) in the remember
template does the trick. It grabs the url and title of the current page
(using org-store-link).

For instance, if I call remember while visiting the org-mode home page,
%a in the remember template is replaced by:

[[http://orgmode.org/][Org-Mode: Your Life in Plain Text]]

Best,
Matt

Re: feature request

[Robert D. Crawford]

Hello Matthew,

Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:

>> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
>> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
>> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
>> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems that
>> :title would be very useful.
>
> When I use w3m, the annotation substitution (%a) in the remember
> template does the trick. It grabs the url and title of the current page
> (using org-store-link).

Thanks.  This does work for w3m but using w3 it returns this:

*
  [[http://www.osnews.com/story/21181/The_IBM_X41_as_a_Lightweight_Linux_Laptop]] :laptop:

from this template:

'((?b "* [[%a] %^g %!" "~/bookmarks.org" bottom)

Later today, if I get the chance, I'll explore the solution proposed by
Sebastian Rose.

Thanks again,
rdc
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Re: Re: feature request

[Sebastian Rose]

"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:
> Later today, if I get the chance, I'll explore the solution proposed by
> Sebastian Rose.

Note: there is a bug in the docs for org-protocol.el. I have fixed that,
but it takes ages to see the changes on gtihub sometimes...


The correct command line for testing is:

  emacsclient org-protocol://store-link://http:%2F%2Flocalhost%2Findex.html/The%20title


Regards,

  Sebastian

generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Robert D. Crawford]

As I mentioned below, using the annotation expansion in the template
does not work when using w3.  I did see the error in my template and
have fixed it (unnecessary brackets).  I am wondering if there is some
other way to get the title or if it can be added as a feature.

I've changed the post below to reflect the change in my template and
what it returns.

Thanks in advance for any help,
rdc

"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:

> Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
>
>>> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
>>> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
>>> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
>>> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems that
>>> :title would be very useful.
>>
>> When I use w3m, the annotation substitution (%a) in the remember
>> template does the trick. It grabs the url and title of the current page
>> (using org-store-link).
>
> Thanks.  This does work for w3m but using w3 it returns this:

* [[http://www.gnu.org]]                                          :gnu:

> from this template:

'((?b "* %a %^g %!" "~/bookmarks.org" bottom)

> Later today, if I get the chance, I'll explore the solution proposed by
> Sebastian Rose.

As stated in a previous mail, Sebastian's solution works for browsers
outside of emacs.

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Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Charles Philip Chan]

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"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:

> As I mentioned below, using the annotation expansion in the template
> does not work when using w3.  I did see the error in my template and
> have fixed it (unnecessary brackets).  I am wondering if there is some
> other way to get the title or if it can be added as a feature.
>
> I've changed the post below to reflect the change in my template and
> what it returns.
>
> ...
>
> * [[http://www.gnu.org]]                                          :gnu:
>
>> from this template:
>
> '((?b "* %a %^g %!" "~/bookmarks.org" bottom)

Hum, there is something wrong with your setup, %a works fine for me with
Emacs-w3m  ([[http://www.gnu.org/][The GNU Operating System]]). Which
version of remember are you using? My copy is from git.

Charles

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Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Charles Philip Chan]

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Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@sympatico.ca> writes:

> Hum, there is something wrong with your setup, %a works fine for me with
> Emacs-w3m  ([[http://www.gnu.org/][The GNU Operating System]]). Which
> version of remember are you using? My copy is from git.

Sorry for the noise, I mistook w3 for w3m. :-(

Charles

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Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Carsten Dominik]

On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:

> As I mentioned below, using the annotation expansion in the template
> does not work when using w3.  I did see the error in my template and
> have fixed it (unnecessary brackets).  I am wondering if there is some
> other way to get the title or if it can be added as a feature.


Hi Robert,

Unfortunately I do not know about a variable that does hold the
title of a page in w3.  In w3m there is w3m-current-title.
In w3, all I was able to find is the URL via

     (org-view-url t)

If anyone knows the magic incantation to extract the page
title in a w3 buffer, I'd be happy to make it the default
for the link description.

- Carsten

>
> I've changed the post below to reflect the change in my template and
> what it returns.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> rdc
>
> "Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
>>
>>>> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab  
>>>> the
>>>> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to  
>>>> not be
>>>> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
>>>> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.   
>>>> Seems that
>>>> :title would be very useful.
>>>
>>> When I use w3m, the annotation substitution (%a) in the remember
>>> template does the trick. It grabs the url and title of the current  
>>> page
>>> (using org-store-link).
>>
>> Thanks.  This does work for w3m but using w3 it returns this:
>
> * [[http:// 
> www.gnu.org]]                                          :gnu:
>
>> from this template:
>
> '((?b "* %a %^g %!" "~/bookmarks.org" bottom)
>
>> Later today, if I get the chance, I'll explore the solution  
>> proposed by
>> Sebastian Rose.
>
> As stated in a previous mail, Sebastian's solution works for browsers
> outside of emacs.
>
> -- 
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>
> If your mother knew what you're doing, she'd probably hang her head  
> and cry.
>
>
>
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Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Robert D. Crawford]

Hello Carsten,

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Unfortunately I do not know about a variable that does hold the
> title of a page in w3.  In w3m there is w3m-current-title.
> In w3, all I was able to find is the URL via
>
>     (org-view-url t)
>
> If anyone knows the magic incantation to extract the page
> title in a w3 buffer, I'd be happy to make it the default
> for the link description.

The way this is implemented in emacspeak and in bmk-mgr is to use the
buffer-name.  As far as I know that is the only way to get the current
title from w3.  IIRC, I implemented this in emacspeak and I know I did
it in bmk-mgr.  I assume that if Dr. Raman signed off it can't be too
wrong.  

Thanks for your help,
rdc
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Re: Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Carsten Dominik]

On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:

> Hello Carsten,
>
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Unfortunately I do not know about a variable that does hold the
>> title of a page in w3.  In w3m there is w3m-current-title.
>> In w3, all I was able to find is the URL via
>>
>>    (org-view-url t)
>>
>> If anyone knows the magic incantation to extract the page
>> title in a w3 buffer, I'd be happy to make it the default
>> for the link description.
>
> The way this is implemented in emacspeak and in bmk-mgr is to use the
> buffer-name.  As far as I know that is the only way to get the current
> title from w3.  IIRC, I implemented this in emacspeak and I know I did
> it in bmk-mgr.  I assume that if Dr. Raman signed off it can't be too
> wrong.

I have just tried a few pages including orgmode.org, and
the buffer name is "Untitled".  Am I using an old version of w3,
or if orgmode.org broken in this way?

- Carsten

Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Robert D. Crawford]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> I have just tried a few pages including orgmode.org, and
> the buffer name is "Untitled".  Am I using an old version of w3,
> or if orgmode.org broken in this way?

Not sure.  If I open orgmode.org and then eval the expression
(buffer-name) it returns the name of the buffer, which w3 gets from the
title tag.  Considering the speed of w3 releases (or lack thereof) I
doubt you have a different version from what I have here.  Here are the
pertinent version numbers:

emacs/w3: WWW p4.0pre.47, URL Emacs
emacs: GNU Emacs 23.0.90.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) of 2009-02-03 on t40

I am running about a month and a half behind upgrading emacs.  If you
think that might be a problem I can update.

Thanks for your help,
rdc
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Re: Re: generating titles in remember templates from w3 buffers [was:Re: feature request]

[Nick Dokos]

Robert D. Crawford <rdc1x@comcast.net> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I have just tried a few pages including orgmode.org, and
> > the buffer name is "Untitled".  Am I using an old version of w3,
> > or if orgmode.org broken in this way?
> 
> Not sure.  If I open orgmode.org and then eval the expression
> (buffer-name) it returns the name of the buffer, which w3 gets from the
> title tag.  Considering the speed of w3 releases (or lack thereof) I
> doubt you have a different version from what I have here.  Here are the
> pertinent version numbers:
> 
> emacs/w3: WWW p4.0pre.47, URL Emacs
> emacs: GNU Emacs 23.0.90.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) of 2009-02-03 on t40
> 
> I am running about a month and a half behind upgrading emacs.  If you
> think that might be a problem I can update.
> 

I just fetched and built the version of W3 that Robert mentions.
When I do

     M-x w3-fetch http://orgmode.org RET

I get the (badly rendered) orgmode home page in a buffer, an error and a backtrace
(appended), but when I evaluate (buffer-name) in the orgmode buffer, I do indeed
get

        "Org-Mode: Your Life in Plain Text"

HTH,
Nick

PS. Backtrace follows - since I usually use an external browser, I've not tried
to track down what the error is:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument symbolp (cdr (assq (quote class) munged)))
  w3-display-node((*document nil ((html ... ...))))
  w3-draw-tree(((*document nil (...))))
  w3-prepare-buffer()
  w3-fetch-callback("http://orgmode.org")
  w3-fetch-redirect-callback(nil "http://orgmode.org")
  apply(w3-fetch-redirect-callback (nil "http://orgmode.org"))
  url-http-activate-callback()
  url-http-content-length-after-change-function(13521 15498 1977)
  url-http-generic-filter(#<process web-proxy.atl.hp.com> "d=\"get\" action=\"http://search.gmane.org/\">\n<input type=\"text\" name=\"query\">\n<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"group\" value=\"gmane.emacs.orgmode\">\n<input type=\"submit\" value=\"Search gmane.emacs.orgmode\">\n</form>\n\n</li>\n</ul>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n<div id=\"outline-container-5.3\" class=\"outline-3\">\n<h3 id=\"sec-5.3\">Worg </h3>\n<div class=\"outline-text-3\" id=\"text-5.3\">\n\n\n<p>\n<a href=\"http://orgmode.org/worg/\">Worg</a>, created by <a href=\"http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/\">Bastien Guerry</a>, is a setup to allow users to jointly\nedit a number of Org-mode files containing documentation about\nOrg-mode, including the <a href=\"http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php\">Org Mode FAQ</a> and <a href=\"ht
 tp://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.php\">Tutorials</a>.  Worg is similar\nto a wiki in that allows community to edit the contents.  However,\nsince it uses a distributed version contr
 ol system, you do not have to\nbe online while editing it.  If you'd like to contribute to Worg,\nplease go to <a href=\"http://orgmode.org/worg/\">the Worg page</a>, and start from there.\n</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n<div id=\"outline-container-5.4\" class=\"outline-3\">\n<h3 id=\"sec-5.4\">Contributing to Org-mode </h3>\n<div class=\"outline-text-3\" id=\"text-5.4\">\n\n\n<p>\nYou can always contribute with ideas and bug reports on the mailing\nlist.  If you want to contribute a patch, code snippets, or a full\nadd-on, this is very welcome too!  We do distribute good add-ons as\ncontributed packages.  However, to integrate additions into the\nOrg-mode core, the author needs to assign the copyright to the <a href=\"http://www.fsf.org/\">Free Software Foundation</a>.  This is because Org-mo
 de is part of Emacs, which\nadheres to very strict rules.  If you would like to sign the papers,\nuse <a href=\"request-assign-future.txt\">this form</a>, fill it in and <a href=\"mailto:ass
 ign@gnu.org,carsten.dominik@gmail.com\">send</a> it to the FSF with a copy to the\nOrg-mode maintainer.\n</p>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n")

Re: feature request

[Sebastian Rose]

You night want to use this:

  http://github.com/SebastianRose/worglet/tree/master


Which is an attempt to make `org-browser-url.el' and
`org-annotation-handler.el' work without any external dependencies on
shell scripts.

Also, you'll need to set up only one protocol in Firefox/Opera/OS.

The file provides three functions of interest:

  org-remember
  org-store-link
  org-open-source

which do just what their names say.



`org-browser-url.el' and `org-annotation-handler.el' are in the
'contrib' subdirectory of the Org-mode distribution.


Best,

  Sebastian



"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:
> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems that
> :title would be very useful.
>
> I am pretty sure I could code this myself... doesn't seem to be terribly
> difficult.  It is not likely though that I would ever contribute code to
> anything else, so filling out the form and waiting for all of it to get
> where it needs to go seems a bit of a waste.
>
> Thanks for listening,
> rdc

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Re: feature request

[Robert D. Crawford]

Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes:

> You night want to use this:
>
>   http://github.com/SebastianRose/worglet/tree/master

Please correct me if I am wrong but this seems to be the wrong solution
for w3 and w3m.  I don't use a graphical browser because of my need for
a screen reader.  I use emacs and emacspeak almost exclusively for my
computing needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my needs and use.

Thanks,
rdc
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Re: Re: feature request

[Sebastian Rose]

"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:
> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes:
>
>> You night want to use this:
>>
>>   http://github.com/SebastianRose/worglet/tree/master
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong but this seems to be the wrong solution
> for w3 and w3m.  I don't use a graphical browser because of my need for
> a screen reader.  I use emacs and emacspeak almost exclusively for my
> computing needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my needs and use.

Yes, org-protocol is meant for using emacs from the outside.

Re: Re: feature request

[Charles Philip Chan]

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"Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:

> I use emacs and emacspeak almost exclusively for my computing
> needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my needs and use.

I am curious as to why you are using w3, since, from what I have read,
emacspeak supports w3m as well:

  http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/info/html/emacs_002dw3m.html

w3 is so slow and feature incomplete.

Charles

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Re: feature request

[Robert D. Crawford]

Hello Charles,

Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@sympatico.ca> writes:

> "Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> I use emacs and emacspeak almost exclusively for my computing
>> needs. Sorry I wasn't clear in my needs and use.
>
> I am curious as to why you are using w3, since, from what I have read,
> emacspeak supports w3m as well:

That is true.

> w3 is so slow and feature incomplete.

Slow, yes.  Feature incomplete, no.  There are several things w3 can do
that w3m cannot.  Table navigation, support for aural css, fontification
of all tags (pre, code, and the like immediately come to mind),
different attributes for h[1-6] tags, I am aware of nothing w3m can do
that w3 cannot.  Also, since w3 is pure lisp it can be extended in ways
that w3m cannot.  

rdc
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Re: feature request

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Robert,

if you pull a new git version, the page title will now correctly
appear in links created in w3-mode buffers.

Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion.

- Carsten

On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:

> I've been trying to make an org-remember template that will grab the
> title of the webpage I want to create a link to.  This seems to not be
> possible, although I could very well be wrong.  I was curious as to
> whether a new keyword could be created for w3 and w3m links.  Seems  
> that
> :title would be very useful.
>
> I am pretty sure I could code this myself... doesn't seem to be  
> terribly
> difficult.  It is not likely though that I would ever contribute  
> code to
> anything else, so filling out the form and waiting for all of it to  
> get
> where it needs to go seems a bit of a waste.
>
> Thanks for listening,
> rdc
> -- 
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>
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> it.
>
>
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Re: feature request

[Robert D. Crawford]

Hello Carsten,

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> if you pull a new git version, the page title will now correctly
> appear in links created in w3-mode buffers.
>
> Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion.

Thank you.  I just tested it and works well.  Exactly what I needed.

rdc
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Feature request

[David Abrahams]

Hi All,

I have to reschedule quite a few items daily.  Often they're
yesterday's items that I need to reschedule for today.  

  `C-c C-s . RET' 

is a bit much typing for that, so I re-bound `S' to
org-agenda-schedule.  But 

  `S . RET' 

is still a bit much.  I'd like it if the default when rescheduling was
always for today, instead of the date the item is already scheduled
for, so I could 

  `S RET'

in the usual case.  What about a customizable option to set the
default schedule-for date?


-- 
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BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com

Re: Feature request

[Memnon Anon]

Hi,

David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com> writes:

> I have to reschedule quite a few items daily.  Often they're
> yesterday's items that I need to reschedule for today.  
>
>   `C-c C-s . RET' 
>
> is a bit much typing for that, so I re-bound `S' to
> org-agenda-schedule.  But 
>
>   `S . RET' 
>
> is still a bit much.  I'd like it if the default when rescheduling was
> always for today, instead of the date the item is already scheduled
> for, so I could 
>
>   `S RET'
>
> in the usual case.  What about a customizable option to set the
> default schedule-for date?

Just curious: Why don't you use the bulk action?

a) Mark all items with `m'
b) `B' `s' `.' RET.

For 20 items, thats:
20x `m' + 4 Keys for b) = 24 keypresses
(if those items are right next to each other and need no navigation)

Your approach would need 20 item x `S Ret' = 40 keypresses :).

Memnon

Re: Re: Feature request

[Jeff Horn]

This rocks! Had no idea about bulk actions. Thanks for the tip.

Jeff

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Memnon Anon
<gegendosenfleisch@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com> writes:
>
>> I have to reschedule quite a few items daily.  Often they're
>> yesterday's items that I need to reschedule for today.
>>
>>   `C-c C-s . RET'
>>
>> is a bit much typing for that, so I re-bound `S' to
>> org-agenda-schedule.  But
>>
>>   `S . RET'
>>
>> is still a bit much.  I'd like it if the default when rescheduling was
>> always for today, instead of the date the item is already scheduled
>> for, so I could
>>
>>   `S RET'
>>
>> in the usual case.  What about a customizable option to set the
>> default schedule-for date?
>
> Just curious: Why don't you use the bulk action?
>
> a) Mark all items with `m'
> b) `B' `s' `.' RET.
>
> For 20 items, thats:
> 20x `m' + 4 Keys for b) = 24 keypresses
> (if those items are right next to each other and need no navigation)
>
> Your approach would need 20 item x `S Ret' = 40 keypresses :).
>
> Memnon
>
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