From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: <87d49p3r8c.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> <6161f3180905270548t3012bc1ah161719ae01db0fb5@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243804802 19312 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2009 21:20:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, stephen@xemacs.org, "Andrew W. Nosenko" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 31 23:19:59 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MAsR6-0003u9-HZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:19:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAsR5-0007ql-VI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAsR1-0007qX-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAsQv-0007px-Ov for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44196 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAsQv-0007pu-M8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]:42683) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsQs-0002UJ-MM; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E4ACC57E24D; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Sun, 31 May 2009 07:45:42 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111224 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > Maybe you are right, all I would like to see is a compromise that the > majority of people will agree to. > > The fact that Yidong, and Monnier simply disregard any discussion on > the topic is frustrating, specially since people have voiced strong > arguments for why the new behaviour is broken. I've already made one suggestion: add a menu bar entry to make line-move-visual easier to turn on or off. Since there were objections to this, I haven't pursued it. There have been no other unproblematic suggestions AFAICT, so I think those who dislike the new behavior will, as Stefan said, simply have to set line-move-visual to nil and move on. > Maybe that is an idea, bind the line-move-visual behaviour to M-n/M-p > or just the arrow keys (maybe someone suggested this already). What > do people think? This is a bad idea, as pointed out by Andreas and Miles.