frame auto-unmaximized

frame auto-unmaximized

[Sam Steingold]

with the current cvs head under gnome:
emacs -q
click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
the emacs frame is maximized.
C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
I hope this is not the intended behavior!

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Jan Djärv]

Sam Steingold skrev:
> with the current cvs head under gnome:
> emacs -q
> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
> the emacs frame is maximized.
> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
> 

No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else (compiz 
perhaps)?

	Jan D.

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Sebastian Rose]

Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
> Sam Steingold skrev:
>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>> emacs -q
>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!


Also, the frame doesn't stay in the background (behind other windows) if
switching workspaces.

I've sent two bug-reports about these two issues (sorry, still don't
know how I could link to them here or anywhere. Are they somwhere on the
net?). 


  Sebastian

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Sebastian Rose]

Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes:
> Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
>> Sam Steingold skrev:
>>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>>> emacs -q
>>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>
>
> Also, the frame doesn't stay in the background (behind other windows) if
> switching workspaces.
>
> I've sent two bug-reports about these two issues (sorry, still don't
> know how I could link to them here or anywhere. Are they somwhere on the
> net?). 

ah - OK - it's in the reply I got :)

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Sam Steingold]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
> Sam Steingold skrev:
>>
>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>> emacs -q
>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>>
>
> No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else (compiz
> perhaps)?

metacity.
this is "CentOS release 5.3 (Final)"

thanks.

-- 
Sam Steingold <http://sds.podval.org>

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Sebastian Rose]

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
>> Sam Steingold skrev:
>>>
>>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>>> emacs -q
>>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>>>
>>
>> No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else (compiz
>> perhaps)?
>
> metacity.
> this is "CentOS release 5.3 (Final)"
>
> thanks.

Dito. Metacity, Debian testing. Only emacs behaves like this.


Gracias

  Sebastian

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Sam Steingold writes:
 > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
 > > Sam Steingold skrev:
 > >>
 > >> with the current cvs head under gnome:
 > >> emacs -q
 > >> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
 > >> the emacs frame is maximized.
 > >> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
 > >> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
 > >> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
 > >> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
 > >>
 > >
 > > No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else (compiz
 > > perhaps)?
 > 
 > metacity.

Metacity doesn't bother to remember that *it* maximized the app (the
app of course has no power to do so), and so happily fullfils a
request from the app to return to its natural size.  I forget the
details, but this is a particular behavior of metacity and KDE's
default WM; other WMs do remember that they've maximized the window
and refuse future requests unless they come from the user.

I think it's more in line with user expectations if the WM remembers,
but evidently Havoc thinks differently.

I believe that there is a way for the WM to differentiate between a
request by a program that is obeying an explicit command from the user
to request a window configuration, and a program that is simply making
a request based on widget resources.  The WM of course should respect
the former, and ignore the latter if it has its own mandate from the
user.  Again I forget the details, but it may be that metacity ignores
this difference.

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Jan Djärv]

Stephen J. Turnbull skrev:
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
>  > > Sam Steingold skrev:
>  > >>
>  > >> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>  > >> emacs -q
>  > >> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>  > >> the emacs frame is maximized.
>  > >> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>  > >> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>  > >> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>  > >> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else (compiz
>  > > perhaps)?
>  > 
>  > metacity.
> 
> Metacity doesn't bother to remember that *it* maximized the app (the
> app of course has no power to do so), and so happily fullfils a
> request from the app to return to its natural size.  I forget the
> details, but this is a particular behavior of metacity and KDE's
> default WM; other WMs do remember that they've maximized the window
> and refuse future requests unless they come from the user.
> 

Indeed.  Emacs did request to be unmaximized when switching desktops (that was 
the bug).  There is some wording in the EMWH-spec about withdrawn windows. 
Apparently applications can reuse withdrawn windows for other purposes, so if 
the WM remembers the setting, it would be wrong.  Not that I know of any 
application that reuses withdrawn windows for something else.


	Jan D.

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:00:36 +0200, Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
> Sam Steingold skrev:
>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>> emacs -q
>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>
> No, it sounds like a bug.  Are you using metacity or something else
> (compiz perhaps)?

Metacity is what I'm using here too, and I see the same bug.

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Jan Djärv]

Sam Steingold skrev:
> with the current cvs head under gnome:
> emacs -q
> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
> the emacs frame is maximized.
> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
> 

This should be fixed now.

Sebastian Rose wrote:

> Also, the frame doesn't stay in the background (behind other windows) if
> switching workspaces.
> 
> I've sent two bug-reports about these two issues (sorry, still don't
> know how I could link to them here or anywhere. Are they somwhere on the
> net?). 

The cause for this is the same.  I have closed the two bugs.

	Jan D.

Re: frame auto-unmaximized

[Sebastian Rose]

Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
> Sam Steingold skrev:
>> with the current cvs head under gnome:
>> emacs -q
>> click on the "maximize" button (upper right corner, 2nd from right).
>> the emacs frame is maximized.
>> C-M-<right> to go to the next workspace
>> C-M-<left> to go back to the emacs workspace
>> observe that the emacs frame is no longer maximized.
>> I hope this is not the intended behavior!
>>
>
> This should be fixed now.
>
> Sebastian Rose wrote:
>
>> Also, the frame doesn't stay in the background (behind other windows) if
>> switching workspaces.
>>
>> I've sent two bug-reports about these two issues (sorry, still don't
>> know how I could link to them here or anywhere. Are they somwhere on the
>> net?). 
>
> The cause for this is the same.  I have closed the two bugs.

Yes! Works like a charm :)


Thanks a lot

   Sebastian