* Unable to clock in on task
@ 2009-10-26 19:32 Keith Lancaster
2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-27 9:59 ` Phil Rooke
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-26 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode List
I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on tasks.
At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling clock-
in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
Thanks,
Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@acm.org
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-26 19:32 Unable to clock in on task Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-26 21:56 ` Bernt Hansen
2009-10-27 9:59 ` Phil Rooke
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-26 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List
Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
> clock-
> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
>
The culprit must be the "emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard" part.
It works fine (in the sense that "it does not lead to emacs crashes") on
Linux:
Org-mode version 6.32 (release_6.32.8.g9077)
GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-10-13 on gamaville.dokosmarshall.org
I don't clock much (maybe one of these years, when I find the time...
the usual excuse of the procrastinator :-), so I'm not sure how things
are supposed to work. I tried to clock in a task from the agenda (using
I), I get a "dangling clock" message, I select cancel and everything is
fine. I then clock out and the clock gets updated appropriately. I then
clock in again and get another dangling clock warning (with ~120000 mins
on it). After doing it a few times on a couple of different items, I
don't get the dangling messages any more either. I guess all the clocks I had
started way back when, when I was playing with clocks, and had not closed,
were found, dealt with, and now I'm all set - maybe.
If anything is really wrong, I'm sure we'll get an earful when Bernt
(aka the king of clocking) upgrades !-)
As for turning things off, the following two (excerpted from org-clock.el)
might help (untested):
,----
| ...
| (defcustom org-clock-idle-time nil
| "When non-nil, resolve open clocks if the user is idle more than X minutes."
| :group 'org-clock
| :type '(choice
| (const :tag "Never" nil)
| (integer :tag "After N minutes")))
|
| (defcustom org-clock-auto-clock-resolution 'when-no-clock-is-running
| "When to automatically resolve open clocks found in Org buffers."
| :group 'org-clock
| :type '(choice
| (const :tag "Never" nil)
| (const :tag "Always" t)
| (const :tag "When no clock is running" when-no-clock-is-running)))
| ...
`----
HTH,
Nick
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-26 21:56 ` Bernt Hansen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bernt Hansen @ 2009-10-26 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List
Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
>
>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
>> clock-
>> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
>> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
>> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
>> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
>> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
>> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
>> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
>>
>
> The culprit must be the "emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard" part.
> It works fine (in the sense that "it does not lead to emacs crashes") on
> Linux:
>
> Org-mode version 6.32 (release_6.32.8.g9077)
> GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-10-13 on gamaville.dokosmarshall.org
>
> I don't clock much (maybe one of these years, when I find the time...
> the usual excuse of the procrastinator :-), so I'm not sure how things
> are supposed to work. I tried to clock in a task from the agenda (using
> I), I get a "dangling clock" message, I select cancel and everything is
> fine. I then clock out and the clock gets updated appropriately. I then
> clock in again and get another dangling clock warning (with ~120000 mins
> on it). After doing it a few times on a couple of different items, I
> don't get the dangling messages any more either. I guess all the clocks I had
> started way back when, when I was playing with clocks, and had not closed,
> were found, dealt with, and now I'm all set - maybe.
>
> If anything is really wrong, I'm sure we'll get an earful when Bernt
> (aka the king of clocking) upgrades !-)
Eeek! I have an official title? :D
I upgraded this morning and clocking works fine for me (again in Linux)
but I'm on GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.11) of
2008-11-09 on raven, modified by Debian. Org-mode version 6.32
(release_6.32.dirty)
I don't currently use the clock resolution functionality but plan to
play with it soon. (I currently have no open clock entries except the
task I'm clocking right now).
-Bernt
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-26 19:32 Unable to clock in on task Keith Lancaster
2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-27 9:59 ` Phil Rooke
2009-10-27 14:36 ` Nick Dokos
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List
Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
> clock-
> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
(using "I" on a task in the daily agenda). My symptoms are different,
Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
expand-file-name(126)
mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
org-files-list()
org-resolve-clocks()
byte-code....
org-clock-in(nil)
org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
Currently running:
79bcdbe73667be7ad811c1f2facd419cbef90426
Author: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Date: Tue Oct 27 09:29:49 2009 +0100
Mac OS X 10.5.8
GNU Emacs 23.50.1
Rgds
Phil
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 9:59 ` Phil Rooke
@ 2009-10-27 14:36 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-27 14:48 ` Keith Lancaster
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-27 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Phil Rooke; +Cc: Org Mode List
Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
>
> > I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> > tasks. ...
>
> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda). My symptoms are different,
> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
> expand-file-name(126)
> mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
> org-files-list()
> org-resolve-clocks()
> byte-code....
> org-clock-in(nil)
> org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
> call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
>
This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list which
does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention. It
should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and should
probably be deleted.
Try this patch:
diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
--- a/lisp/org-clock.el
+++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
@@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid) clocks."
(interactive "P")
(unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
(let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
- (dolist (file (org-files-list))
+ (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
(dolist (clock clocks)
(let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
Thanks,
Nick
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 14:36 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-27 14:48 ` Keith Lancaster
2009-10-27 15:06 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-27 15:06 ` Phil Rooke
2009-10-27 15:26 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-27 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List
That did it! The patch fixes the problem - it now handles all the
dangling clocks and then clocks in correctly. Thanks!
Keith
On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
>>
>>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>>> tasks. ...
>>
>> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
>> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda). My symptoms are
>> different,
>> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
>> expand-file-name(126)
>> mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
>> org-files-list()
>> org-resolve-clocks()
>> byte-code....
>> org-clock-in(nil)
>> org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
>> call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
>>
>
> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list
> which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention. It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and
> should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)
> clocks."
> (interactive "P")
> (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
> (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> - (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> + (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> (let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> (dolist (clock clocks)
> (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@acm.org
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 14:36 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-27 14:48 ` Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-27 15:06 ` Phil Rooke
2009-10-27 15:26 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List
Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention. It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid) clocks."
> (interactive "P")
> (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
> (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> - (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> + (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> (let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> (dolist (clock clocks)
> (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
That works for me. Thanks a lot.
Phil
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 14:48 ` Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-27 15:06 ` Nick Dokos
[not found] ` <31980590-35DC-4887-8E5F-CCE8938AB1AD@acm.org>
2009-10-27 15:53 ` Phil Rooke
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-27 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List
Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
> That did it! The patch fixes the problem - it now handles all the
> dangling clocks and then clocks in correctly. Thanks!
>
> Keith
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
>
> > Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
> >>
> >>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> >>> tasks. ...
> >>
> >> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
> >> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda). My symptoms are
> >> different,
> >> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
> >>
> >> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
> >> expand-file-name(126)
> >> mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
> >> org-files-list()
> >> org-resolve-clocks()
> >> byte-code....
> >> org-clock-in(nil)
> >> org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
> >> call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
> >>
> >
> > This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list
> > which
> > does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention. It
> > should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> > org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and
> > should
> > probably be deleted.
> >
> > Try this patch:
> >
> > diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> > index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> > --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> > +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> > @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)
> > clocks."
> > (interactive "P")
> > (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
> > (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> > - (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> > + (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> > (let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> > (dolist (clock clocks)
> > (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
>
Let me point out that the difference between Keith's original report and
Phil's report is that Phil included the backtrace - given that, the
patch was easy. So, Keith, you know what to do next time :-)
Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
"agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.
Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,
Nick
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 14:36 ` Nick Dokos
2009-10-27 14:48 ` Keith Lancaster
2009-10-27 15:06 ` Phil Rooke
@ 2009-10-27 15:26 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-27 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List
Hi everyone,
I believe this is not the right fix.
John uses (and wrote) org-files-list to get both the agenda files and
any currently open files which happen to be org files but might not be
in the org-agenda-files list.
The bug is in Johns code, where the function org-agenda-files
should be used, rather than the variable.
diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el
index ed36c45..d720347 100644
--- a/lisp/org.el
+++ b/lisp/org.el
@@ -5362,7 +5362,7 @@ are at least `org-cycle-separator-lines' empty
lines before the headline."
"Return `org-agenda-files' list, plus all open org-mode files.
This is useful for operations that need to scan all of a user's
open and agenda-wise Org files."
- (let ((files (mapcar 'expand-file-name org-agenda-files)))
+ (let ((files (mapcar 'expand-file-name (org-agenda-files))))
(dolist (buf (buffer-list))
(with-current-buffer buf
(if (and (eq major-mode 'org-mode) (buffer-file-name))
- Carsten
On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
>>
>>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>>> tasks. ...
>>
>> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
>> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda). My symptoms are
>> different,
>> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
>> expand-file-name(126)
>> mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
>> org-files-list()
>> org-resolve-clocks()
>> byte-code....
>> org-clock-in(nil)
>> org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
>> call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
>>
>
> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list
> which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention. It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and
> should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)
> clocks."
> (interactive "P")
> (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
> (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> - (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> + (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> (let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> (dolist (clock clocks)
> (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
>
>
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
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@ 2009-10-27 15:28 ` Keith Lancaster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-27 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode List
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Oops. Meant to copy list.
On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Keith Lancaster wrote:
> Would have if I could have! (I used to run a QA dept, so I knew how
> bad my "Its blowing up" message was :-).
>
> The symptom on my machine was the Mac equivalent of a GPF - Emacs
> disappeared and the "I'm sending this to Apple" message popped up.
> How do you get Emacs to run in a mode that will allow a backtrace in
> this kind of case?
>
> Keith
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Let me point out that the difference between Keith's original
>> report and
>> Phil's report is that Phil included the backtrace - given that, the
>> patch was easy. So, Keith, you know what to do next time :-)
>>
>> Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
>> "agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
>> imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
>> yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.
>>
>> Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,
>> Nick
>>
>
> Keith Lancaster
> klancaster1957@acm.org
>
>
Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@mac.com
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
2009-10-27 15:06 ` Nick Dokos
[not found] ` <31980590-35DC-4887-8E5F-CCE8938AB1AD@acm.org>
@ 2009-10-27 15:53 ` Phil Rooke
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List
Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
> "agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
> imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
> yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.
Back in the days of v3.x/4.x when I originally wrote the org reference
card I would pride myself on knowing pretty much everything the mode
offered...nowadays, sadly, lots of bits pass me by. I didn't even know
of the bug report function :(
Still I do now, thanks and I will use it in future.
> Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,
Not at all, it was a fair point.
Regards,
Phil
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