From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Displaying bytes (was: Inadequate documentation of silly Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:25:07 +0900 Message-ID: <87d4375dfg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20091119155848.GB1314@muc.de> <87aayiihe9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20091119180848.GE1314@muc.de> <47325.130.55.118.19.1258658705.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <20091119212550.GG1314@muc.de> <87my2ign8u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <912155b0911231334s2b52e8eq864251c9aed386b3@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259129980 20128 80.91.229.12 (25 Nov 2009 06:19:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: per.starback@gmail.com, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Kenichi Handa To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 25 07:19:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NDBDv-0004YN-D7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:19:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53862 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDBDu-0005GX-MZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:19:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDBDj-0005EC-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:19:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDBDd-00059V-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:19:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54189 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDBDd-000598-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:19:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:43470) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDBDa-0007bT-Gj; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:19:10 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D981535AE; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:19:09 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 432E71A2907; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:25:07 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 1444e28f1a3d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117734 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > The problem with windows-1252 is that all files are valid in that > coding-system. Well, *pedantically* that's true of any ISO 8859 coding system too, since ISO 8859 doesn't specify what might appear in C1 at all. In practice for 1252 1. The only C0 controls you'll commonly see are \t, \r, and \n. 2. The set of C1 controls that are defined is limited IIRC (but Microsoft does go around changing it without warning, so I could be wrong by now ;-). 3. It's line-oriented text (even if long-lines): you'll very probably see \r and \n only as \r\n, you might see only \n and no \r, and you'll not see "random" use of \r or \n.