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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:22:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1OLcTo-0004mT-12@fencepost.gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> From what you tell, it sounds like vertical cursor motion is the
> problem; please try C-f and C-b (_not_ the arrow keys!) and tell if
> they are reasonably fast or also slow.

Since we opened that can of worms already by making C-f/C-b do logical
motion as opposed to the arrow keys doing visual motion, I should think
it would make sense to disconnect C-n/C-p from the vertical arrow keys
as well and move them in a non-display-related manner in the "keep the
same C-f distance from the last LF" sense.  I have no good answer what
to do about tabs, but I am likely in a lot of company there.  Anyway:
likely the same with "C-a" "C-e" for logical movement as contrasted to
<home> and <end> for visual movement.

It may make sense to allow switching everything to logical manner, or
everything to visual manner, but the default setting of "Use visual
motion in all regards for off-keyboard special keys, and logical for
everything on-keyboard" seems to be a good match to the brain areas
people are expecting to engage in connection with certain kinds of
keybindings.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-07 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-07  1:05 Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:35 ` Performance Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 14:22   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-06-07 14:39     ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:01       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p David Kastrup
2010-06-07 23:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:34       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 14:12       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 15:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12           ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 19:34             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 20:16               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 21:24                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 22:46                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:27                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 17:12                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 17:25                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:49                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:51                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:01                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 19:16                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:19                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 22:57                         ` Davis Herring
2010-06-11 19:45           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 19:50             ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 10:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:34             ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:54                 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 14:26             ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 20:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 16:29         ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:09           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:49               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 16:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 16:18                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:58                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:34                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:26                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:20                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:07                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:16                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  3:52                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  7:53                               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-11 17:37           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 18:04             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-11 21:23               ` W Dan Meyer
2010-06-12  5:40                 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12 10:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:57                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:22               ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  9:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 12:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 12:40                 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 20:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-12 16:36           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 16:57             ` Current head won't build Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 17:24               ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 18:55                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 19:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-12 20:13                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-14 15:43                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15 14:50                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 18:28                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 18:31                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 19:25                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:38                                 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-06-15 19:43                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:54                                   ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16  3:28                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16  8:21                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16  9:47                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-16 12:23                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16 12:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  6:05                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  8:20                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  9:04                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  9:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 10:41                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 11:33                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 12:44                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:12                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 13:17                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:21                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:00                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:18                                                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:25                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:29                                                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:58                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 15:09                                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 15:51                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:29                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:14                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 18:32                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16 18:43                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-18  6:04                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-12 16:41           ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 23:34             ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:12         ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  5:43           ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12  9:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 11:13               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 12:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 22:27               ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13  3:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 10:24                   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13 15:28                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 17:20                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:03                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:23             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 14:27               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12  9:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 16:08       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 16:21         ` David Kastrup
2010-06-07 17:25           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 18:26             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-07 19:24               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 19:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 20:17                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 22:32                     ` Davis Herring
2010-06-07 22:40                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-08  0:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 13:51                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-08 20:25                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 21:07                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-07 23:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-08  7:58     ` Miles Bader
2010-06-07 15:33   ` Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-10 10:30 ` Performance Kenichi Handa

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