From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:09:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87d3erfrb5.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87obybg01n.fsf@gmail.com> <834o03sgsu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316776547 27636 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2011 11:15:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 13:15:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jK-000245-KB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:15:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34476 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jK-0004Nh-6A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57813) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jG-0004NN-5g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jE-00072M-QT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36263) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jE-00072E-IX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jd-0001EZ-SR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:16:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.13167765394713 (code B ref 9571); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2011 11:15:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jG-0001Dx-Ht for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R73jE-0001Dq-F7 for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: by fxd18 with SMTP id 18so3445616fxd.3 for <9571@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YaXbyv4hdtCAQMG4lva8Fu/boIjUOz9sl2IFyTVTGts=; b=fdDvElTYoJ2uxC5espZftrJeYt4tDJjeJD2g81/3hqxjZ+tg2sEROTriZKV92wlazb xifzpokCFzH5P1tZWy1R9m8rwVHAgIUIHK8RHOiY6FSqkTOUUBMthanCZcnDHxGduzKb 33wAxQbsaJBRI4w5ZhxkQ2/uryy9pWnesJh8s= Original-Received: by 10.223.11.23 with SMTP id r23mr5032880far.38.1316776509675; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (176.119.broadband10.iol.cz. [90.177.119.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm8603942fac.25.2011.09.23.04.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:15:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834o03sgsu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:18:25 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:16:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51705 Archived-At: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:18:25 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: Thank you very much for the explanation. (I guess "pushing bidi down everybody's throat" was picturesque in a wrong way, sorry for that; it's really just another way of saying "bidi will (one day) become the only way to display text in Emacs"). I still think "there is no way back" is all the more reason to be as helpful and open about the changes and possible problems as possible. By under-documenting the issue you only provide more opportunity to FUD. In other words, not clearly saying that bidi might bring problems and how to work around them in the user documentation at this point would only be reasonable if Emacs bidi was pretty much a solved problem, but that's really not the impression I got from the related emacs-devel discussions or even from your explanation. --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n