From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:52:36 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87d3baui4b.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <83fwgk1atk.fsf@gnu.org> <4EEBE0DC.1050803@cs.ucla.edu> <4EEF5DF5.3030506@swipnet.se> <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> <87ipl7zaea.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjkbib14.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325001201 9791 80.91.229.12 (27 Dec 2011 15:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:53:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 27 16:53:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKz-0003RN-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:53:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39863 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKy-0006Hr-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:53:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKv-0006Hb-Ig for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:53:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKs-0002GU-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:34607) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKs-0002G9-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:53:06 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RfZKm-0002ac-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:53:00 +0100 Original-Received: from c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net ([76.28.40.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:53:00 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:53:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kNj7AWqy13O+y1/kIllGpMBaif0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:146980 Archived-At: On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:05:11 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: SJT> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:28:00 +0900 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: >> YM> The only issue would be those who are not familiar with Mac OS X YM> development tend to rant "Carbon is deprecated!" without knowing the YM> detail or its actual use in many applications. >> >> In defense of the NS port, It is compatible with GNUstep and yours >> isn't, and that IIRC was a major reason to bring the NS port into the >> trunk. SJT> He's just understandably exasperated that every time a third party SJT> suggests including it, somebody who is not a Mac developer says that SJT> it uses Carbon APIs, and since Apple has deprecated Carbon APIs, that SJT> makes it a dead end anyway. The first clause of that argument is a SJT> whole truth, the second a half-truth, and the conclusion is bunk. Apple's stance on Carbon has shifted over time, wihch adds to the confusion (for users and developers alike). I apologize for where I have contributed to that confusion in the past. I only wanted to voice my support for the NS port, which fits well with the GNU project's goals. Ted