From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87d39pgdu4.fsf@gnus.org> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328740106 17230 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 22:28:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 23:28:25 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvG00-0006fG-W6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:28:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvG00-0005FB-Fr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:28:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38837) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvFzx-0005F4-19 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:28:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvFzv-0007ph-Kz for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:28:21 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:34402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvFzv-0007or-Ej for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RvFzh-0005aB-UA; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:28:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:43:54 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1RvFzh-0005aB-UA MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329344886.77466@vDxBVR4q1WtvVspoYOINjA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148380 Archived-At: Nix writes: > I've never understood what's wrong with including cl.el, nor why the > byte-compiler should warn specially about it, any more than it warns > about any other package. Since the beginning of time, the Emacs maintainer (whoever they were at the time) just hasn't liked Common Lisp. The stated rationale for not "allowing" cl.el usage has shifted around a lot over the years, though. ("It's too big run-time-wise", "we're going to reimplement Emacs in Scheme", and now "the manual will be too big" and "it uses the wrong prefix".) Meanwhile, most of the people who program Emacs Lisp daily (i.e., people like me) have always been in favour of including it. Who doesn't want `incf'? `plusp'? `delete-if-not'? `position'? So you get all these hundreds of reimplementations of all these necessary functions, only spread over all the different packages. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome