From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:31:31 +0900 Message-ID: <87d3365gd8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <878vdv6kei.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344126699 25375 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2012 00:31:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 00:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 05 02:31:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxoks-0007AK-LT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:31:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53412 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxoks-0004Xu-0P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51842) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxokp-0004Xp-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:31:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxoko-0005Im-KV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:56098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxoko-0005C8-Ao; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.195.114.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.195.114] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxokm-0007if-Je; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:31:32 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4CCB6DFF4; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:31:31 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:04:45 -0400") Original-Lines: 38 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.73 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152184 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Chromium is a free browser. > Chrome is a nonfree browser. Right. > Because we don't have the full source code of Google Chrome, > we can't change it and we can't even tell what it does. > The fact that parts of it are the same as another free program > doesn't alter the problems. Indeed, but that seems irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. > My understanding was that although binary distributed by google wasn't > free, because it includes various bells and whistles implemented with > non-free libraries (e.g. video decoding ...?), the guts of the browser > _is_ actually free software, > > A combination of free code and nonfree code is nonfree. > The free parts don't make the nonfree parts ok. Nobody is saying they do. What I'm trying to say is: If chromium and chrome have the same app/plugin interface, then making Emacs (or anything else) use that interface is targeting an interface shared by _both_ free and non-free systems. In that case, objections that "we shouldn't add this support because it supports a non-free system" are not correct -- doing so would support (completely) free systems as well, and that seems to make the case for adding such support much stronger. -miles -- Inhumanity, n. One of the signal and characteristic qualities of humanity.