From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:20:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87d2zmn9hh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <87a9uvv6ng.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bof9s7cl.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <874nl0ov8g.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <20635.63115.874182.168553@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87liecnelf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <83390k0wgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352470877 27608 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2012 14:21:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dan@haxney.org, rms@gnu.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 09 15:21:22 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpST-0008Ff-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:21:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53849 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpSK-0000CH-0m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56451) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpS9-0008Ov-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpS6-0002qy-43 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:01 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:44114 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpRu-0002pY-WD; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:20:47 -0500 Original-Received: from spindle.srvr.nix (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qA9EKhmo019394; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:20:43 GMT Emacs: indefensible, reprehensible, and fully extensible. In-Reply-To: <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:35:51 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-x.dcc-servers-Metrics: spindle 104; Body=8 Fuz1=8 Fuz2=8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154761 Archived-At: On 9 Nov 2012, Eli Zaretskii spake thusly: > Yes, that is true. But the point I wanted to make is that nothing in > Emacs really assumes that point must be on the displayed portion of > the buffer. Rather, the display engine deliberately scrolls text to > make sure point is visible. So I don't think Emacs will go down in > flames if some feature inhibits this automatic scrolling. The > auto-hscroll example was a demonstration of how Emacs command still > work in a sensible way when point is not visible. ... which is a good sign that a small core change might make it possible to implement this feature on its own in a few lines, without requiring all the scroll-in-place machinery. Something else for me to look at :) -- NULL && (void)