From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jameson Graef Rollins Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7842: acknowledged by developer (control message for bug 7842) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: <87d2vtce1h.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> References: <8739owi45n.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87zjzfpx5j.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87txpnpwqb.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83fw178ah5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sj50m4hu.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83bobn51dz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361497915 19501 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2013 01:51:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7842@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 02:52:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U8ho8-00048S-CH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:52:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41575 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hnn-0006os-Ty for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:51:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58283) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hni-0006oZ-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:51:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hnb-00039y-0r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:51:50 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hna-00039s-U8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hos-0003yL-62 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:53:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jameson Graef Rollins Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7842 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 7842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7842.136149793215208 (code B ref 7842); Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:53:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 01:52:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8ho0-0003xB-0d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:52:12 -0500 Original-Received: from outgoing-mail.its.caltech.edu ([131.215.239.19]:19217) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8hnu-0003wj-2f for 7842@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:52:06 -0500 Original-Received: from earth-doxen.imss.caltech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth-doxen-postvirus (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49EE66E00A5; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:50:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from finestructure.net (DHCP-123-224.caltech.edu [131.215.123.224]) (Authenticated sender: jrollins) by earth-doxen-submit (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A766E00D1; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:50:37 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by finestructure.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AAE561636; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:50:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83bobn51dz.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.15+8~gd4a7374 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71616 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, Feb 13 2013, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > You _can_ capture stderr in a buffer, if you insert the file into a > buffer. Why is it important how the stuff got into a buffer? I am really confused why you guys keep responding with points like this. I've responded to this exact point twice now and you guys keep coming back with the same completely illogical and unthought-through dismissal. Do I really have to explain why redirecting to a file is not the same thing as a pipe? I would have assumed that emacs developers would be familiar with pipes. And the entire point of the command in question (call-process) is to capture stdout to a buffer, so at least the original author understood. So maybe it's somehow hard to understand that the same considerations for stdout would apply to stderr? Somehow I doubt that as well. Something else is going on. But just in case you *really* don't understand what I'm talking about, let me try a simple example that might help you understand. Are these two commands equivalent?: $ ps > tempfile; grep bash tempfile; rm tempfile $ ps | grep bash No, obviously they're not: * The first touches the disk, the second does not. * The first requires me to pick a temporary file name that does not collide with an existing file on disk, the second does not. * The first requires me to cleanup a temporary file, the second does not. * The first is 45 characters long, the second is 13. This is first year programmer stuff. I think what's really going on here is that you're trying to dismiss this request because it's hard to implement and you for some reason feel you need to close out wishlist reports (why?). I guess I'm willing to accept that. But please don't keep feeding me bullshit. It's childish. Just be an adult and explain what the issue is without trying to blow smoke up my ass. jamie. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRJs7qAAoJEO00zqvie6q8UAQP/0YhlSOUeyndKzMMLZX6eVKA 03v6/4WkGL7VqGIH/25Bq9vb/HOC6D4W7ePFXoOZYvjKVLT67MYL6pWweqXnz9W0 AuJw3Fa1bv7XK8U9XY4V3F+59X5YaHfsCx11Z7335KCOgHhJuijTqZUVkbgtD5Qg ZNHJy4y29/wASWQCnX+GMu9gYSKCeA/CjmL6tkyJwEMC/EYAX+YfHhpCwhnyxfAo yECY2SNCi+XuOoq4iKJiGvFn19iHUyy23v+JQvH7xg6npIog6bXMpOVX3IuYu1yA C7UAr6dWzeE6RRQ7Bspe3IADRU5wK8VEyFOqOyl945qwa2qpvEhD1Ix9r9h7i42v oubyiOOnTXJ10PWqioXE/Q4ROPBW71Rq0AhdMwXyT3Xlc1DWzgIxilIsd3gd8c9W vhrrcYTSSl5y17FJc65CzNlZkO7uSSSWIfOaPR2vqk2118/Ko+GaT7dp0iRmFF6O RQ+Xo6zVyczJChbIEVbJI8PPP7WF4JQZi/jAO8Ogu3LxbqkMP3L5uisDwRpAzSGC P4Ty+fufE6S7VpxUEfxsS1ebPUAjYnS/vRRSuYL/RjVQnzlaSEPIVXgpAfq9VoKj PYY6q6VJgRvz2rf2BTmqrfM04VX+0IJAF++9LmwCJ6zSFVTyDHFro5orWkR3AWUR LOg9Pc3hGVyyL6EBYQs2 =RbdK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--