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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving?
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:53:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d2oww758.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.943.1377763221.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Right, I was referring to the describe-* family of commands, the
> apropos-* commands, and the
> find-function/find-library/find-variable/find-face-definition
> commands, as well as the Customize system.  I realize that
> documentation doesn't write itself, that the parameters of a
> function on their own may be rather mysterious, and that
> machine-generated documentation generally sucks.  Nonetheless,
> Emacs provides the user with an unusually rich set of ways of
> finding out about the environment's current state and the
> workings and customization possibilities of a program, as well
> as discovering things you didn't know you were looking for.  I
> take "self-documenting" to mean "capable of introspection in a
> variety of context-useful ways".  If we updated the Emacs
> one-line description for 2013, we'd probably call it the
> "extensible, customizable, introspective editor".  Or not--that
> makes it sound like a neurotic existentialist writer!

Ha ha, no, let's keep "self-documenting". To me, that *sounds*
like "you don't have to write documentation, Emacs does that for
you, all the while you extend Emacs", but I never was fool enough
to believe that (for Emacs, or any system), so I thought it was
just an exaggeration of the docstring etc. functionality, and
especially its "immediate" update property, or, likewise an
exaggeration of the prototypes you get, even if there is no
docstring - I guess you could include lots of stuff in
"self-documentation", with some imagination - autocompletion, for
example (which I never use for speed, only when I don't remember
some part of whatever name).

I agree the whole framework around the Emacs documentation is
great, apart from one thing, that you (or somebody else) possibly
can help me with:

When I bring up the help for find-file (just an example, this
happens all the time), some of the lines are too long. For
example, one line looks like this:

Interactively, [cut] type RET is the current director

That is, "y," has overflowed the width. Is there a way to "fill"
all help? I tried to manually change some of the docstrings with
line breaks ("\n", same as in C, or otherwise in Elisp
strings). That worked, but I'm not going to do that for each and
any function (or whatever).

-- 
Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below)
computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-29 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-26 22:43 Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  0:05 ` Perry Smith
2013-08-27  0:25   ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  9:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-08-27 23:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28  3:03   ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-08-29  0:39     ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 20:19 ` Ken Goldman
2013-08-29  0:25   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] ` <mailman.904.1377721211.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 20:53   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-03 19:25     ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3330.1380828355.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-03 19:58       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 21:09 ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found] ` <mailman.907.1377724222.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 21:55   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  2:04     ` Kevin Montuori
     [not found]     ` <mailman.935.1377741861.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29  2:55       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  3:06         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  7:59     ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found]     ` <mailman.943.1377763221.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 20:53       ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2013-08-29 21:05         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.992.1377810361.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 21:24           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 23:37             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.996.1377819467.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:25               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 22:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30  1:32     ` MBR
     [not found]     ` <mailman.999.1377826390.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:26       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 11:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-30 12:21     ` Ludwig, Mark
2013-08-30 13:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-29 23:50 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
     [not found] ` <mailman.997.1377820262.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:28   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  1:23     ` Jorge
     [not found]     ` <mailman.998.1377825809.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 16:24         ` Jorge
2013-10-04 11:30 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-10-04 21:59   ` Jude DaShiell
2013-10-04 23:16     ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3434.1380928592.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 23:35       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-06 12:07         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-06 21:50           ` Evans Winner
2013-10-09 19:41             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  4:27               ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3736.1381379296.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10  5:25                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10  8:24                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 22:18                     ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-11 10:39                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 10:36                   ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-10 11:00                     ` Rainer M Krug
2013-10-10 15:16                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-10-11 11:06                       ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-12 22:01                         ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-14 11:04                           ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-14 16:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 19:25                             ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-15 11:30                               ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.4032.1381836640.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:56                                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3989.1381778782.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-14 21:54                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-15  6:27                                 ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.4022.1381818464.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:50                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-16  4:56                                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17  1:45                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3906.1381619521.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13  2:36                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 13:04                   ` Carson Chittom
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3784.1381425760.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3742.1381393368.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:57                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 10:56                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-11 19:06                         ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-12  7:48                           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3875.1381563966.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 20:24                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 23:54                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  0:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  5:58                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3818.1381470912.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-11 17:20                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-09 19:31           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  2:28             ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 21:30         ` Tom Davey
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3718.1381354235.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-09 21:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 16:24         ` henry atting
2013-10-11  5:19         ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found] ` <mailman.3391.1380886224.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 17:45   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-04 19:28     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3429.1380914709.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 20:18       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-08 11:36     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 19:43       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.815.1377561963.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 14:47   ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 15:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 17:52       ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 18:13     ` Alex Schroeder
2013-10-13 19:23       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.811.1377557346.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-27  1:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-27 23:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:20   ` Marko Vojinovic
2013-08-28  1:56     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.880.1377655035.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:59       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:35   ` Marc Weber
     [not found]   ` <mailman.874.1377650119.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  3:25       ` Marc Weber
     [not found]       ` <mailman.883.1377660293.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  4:08         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-28 20:48           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 20:37         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  1:39   ` Jorge
2013-10-12 13:39 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 15:30   ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 20:39   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-12 20:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 20:58     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3883.1381591837.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 21:01     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 21:14       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 21:15       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 13:33         ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3924.1381671200.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 15:25           ` Emanuel Berg

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