From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add the archive name column in the list-packages table Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:02:09 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87d2lta89a.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> References: <87wql1w6io.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87r4axu4dm.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87k3gorvs4.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87eh6adbqr.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87ob5easv5.fsf@gmail.com> <8738mpde1p.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87a9gxom9x.fsf@gmail.com> <87y54hbv9j.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87a9gx7i24.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385060504 15763 80.91.229.3 (21 Nov 2013 19:01:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:01:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 20:01:48 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVW-0000yG-1u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:01:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34851 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVV-0003BI-Oc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:01:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41791) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVO-0003B4-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:01:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVI-0005P3-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:01:34 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40789) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVI-0005Oo-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:01:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjZVG-0000nJ-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:01:26 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:01:26 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:01:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lI4i2VDsf4u3kyWHKu2qZE9srwM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165502 Archived-At: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:28:43 +0530 Jambunathan K wrote: JK> The description is pushed to the last column which means that it is JK> truncated. Additional details can go as part of tool tip. The tool-tip JK> is per-table cell. May be it should be per-table row (at least in this JK> case) Consider me completely opposed to tooltips. They require hovering, don't work in a terminal, and are hard to read. JK> Visual feedback need not mean icons. It could be color coding. JK> The *entire* table-row can be highlighted in green if it available etc. JK> (I see that unsigned packages are highlighted in with foreground red.) (`M-x list-packages' already has some color coding.) That's an interesting idea, but it doesn't work in all terminals and it's hard to read, especially for color-blind people. Remember, this is *the* way to install packages, so all users have to use it. It's not an optional package so the default UI has to be very conservative. Also user-specific default faces and themes may conflict. For instance I already use green on black for regular text. Maybe the shortened status ("avl" for available or whatever) can be color-coded, bur the whole row is IMO too much. >> I think in general Emacs should use icons more, but with care. See >> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/137682 for a proposal >> (iconset.el) I still intend to pursue, though it's not high on my TODO >> list due to other priorities. JK> It would be nice if Emacs is less verbal and more visual. That's pretty vague. Maybe you'd like to start a new thread with specific suggestions. Ted