From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: viper-mode C-[ behavior change in Emacs 24.4 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:04:23 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87d2cbhpfs.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <874mxr7qgp.fsf@debian.uxu> <87fvhalaz4.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87lhr0hv9f.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oavwgcyp.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407452733 3038 80.91.229.3 (7 Aug 2014 23:05:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 08 01:05:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XFWkP-0006fv-Eu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:05:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XFWkO-0000y2-N8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:05:24 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 44 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:jn5aP6l/lz6auFTmfEMxxjr40zI= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206850 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99126 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I use Debian testing. Every once in a while "aptitude > upgrade" doesn't work quite right (e.g. recently it > switched to systemd which broke my boot because it > hangs waiting for a non-exiting device due to a > broken fstab entry which earlier just caused a > harmless error message). > > Such problems are unavoidable. When you're dealing > with a large number of computers, you don't want to > deal with those problems one a regular basis. > Instead, you want to do upgrades "slowly" (e.g. at > most once a year). Yet if you use Debian > testing/unstable and don't upgrade regularly, you > might end up vulnerable to security bugs. Hence > Debian stable which lets you "upgrade" to fix > security bugs at any time without (hopefully) risking > breaking your systems. This discussion is to complicated for me. I do 'sudo aptitude update' (or I have an alias for that) before I install new software, which I very seldom do. That's all I do. I don't do the upgrade stuff. I have deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib in /etc/apt/sources.list I have never had problems with not being able to boot or anything like that. On the other hand I don't manage a network or multiuser system or anything like that. I just have a Emacs and tmux and zsh and sometimes ssh and rsync or scp to my school's Solaris. Perhaps it is the reliance on just a few software parts that protects me from both software and distro unstability. Everything just seems super-stable. Am I normal or am I doing something wrong? :) -- underground experts united