From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18246: enriched-encode: should set inhibit-point-motion-hooks, too Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:14:25 +0000 Message-ID: <87d2c3q6pq.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <87sil3qlc8.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <83y4utixh8.fsf@gnu.org> <83lhqsig01.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408040123 17595 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2014 18:15:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:15:23 +0000 (UTC) To: 18246@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 14 20:15:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYR-0007xF-3T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:15:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYQ-0008II-KL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:15:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYJ-0008Fm-No for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYF-0008FP-6x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYE-0008Et-UV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzYE-0000c1-FP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ivan Shmakov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18246 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18246-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18246.14080400792270 (code B ref 18246); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Aug 2014 18:14:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzXq-0000aX-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([78.47.74.50]:50501) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzXn-0000aM-FH for 18246@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=o2gARcSaf1e6G3iU7X9mqxfLufadi8WHg0BLagokpMU=; b=eSOraqL503I+hkeuiZ5urEOmQt2eUhplzFEj/2yipbC4KxHDLQ2gYyBWaCYH1+Wn43Tpb/YN8qZ8Gdr4Tfv+Ft8zWQfT+zlICgBBDG+ssdFs99+bYmG3a1MYFtlY3M6m0fQvX5UDXxDEBAf9YUkjtpOUIWGb9YfG9R9eRAGyt+c=; Original-Received: from [2a02:2560:6d4:26ca::1:1d] (helo=violet.siamics.net) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzXl-0003G8-Ox for 18246@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:14:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XHzXe-0002Hv-CD for 18246@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:14:26 +0700 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:50:04 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92470 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: [=E2=80=A6] > Another option would be to use text that is read-only but not > intangible. Maybe users won't be disturbed by being able to move > point to the middle of fixed text in the form. For one thing, I actually consider the ability to move point to the middle of virtually /any/ text, including =E2=80=9Cfixed,=E2=80=9D in = Emacs (it=E2=80=99s not just forms, =E2=80=93 think of tmm-menubar, for instance= , or minibuffer prompts) to be a considerable /advantage./ And it gets especially useful when, say, writing a guide, =E2=80=93 copying text from menus, forms, etc. is not nearly as easy in the majority of the modern (non-tty) software. (That being said, I believe it=E2=80=99s easier to point the reader to M-x=C2=A0foo-do-something than to Menu Bar =E2=86=92 Foo =E2=86=92 Do Some= thing, so I=E2=80=99d say that menus are not as important to Emacs as they are to some other software, anyway.) > I feel that none of these offers behavior that is really right and > smooth for a form. I think this is an area for improvement in Emacs. I=E2=80=99m all for improvements to Emacs. In the case of =E2=80=98intang= ible=E2=80=99, however, =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m out of ideas. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A