How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Kro Ly]

Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to know how to copy and paste something from firefox to emacs for instance ?
Thanks.

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Quanyang Liu]

On Sat, Aug 16 2014 at 19:09:27 +0800, David Hume wrote:
> Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to know how to copy
>> and paste something from firefox to emacs for instance ?
>> Thanks.
>
> That depends on the terminal I think. If it is xterm you can press the
> middle mouse button to paste.
Maybe you can try to use xsel. The way I use is below:

;; use xsel to copy/paste in emacs-nox
(unless window-system
  (when (getenv "DISPLAY")
	(defun xsel-cut-function (text &optional push)
	  (with-temp-buffer
		(insert text)
		(call-process-region (point-min) (point-max) "xsel" nil 0 nil "--clipboard" "--input")))
	(defun xsel-paste-function()
	  (let ((xsel-output (shell-command-to-string "xsel --clipboard --output")))
		(unless (string= (car kill-ring) xsel-output)
		  xsel-output )))
	(setq interprogram-cut-function 'xsel-cut-function)
	(setq interprogram-paste-function 'xsel-paste-function)
	))
    
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Undergraduate
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Shanghai Jiao Tong University

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Grant Rettke]

Untested:

http://blog.binchen.org/posts/paste-string-from-clipboard-into-minibuffer-in-emacs.html
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Quanyang Liu <lqymgt@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 16 2014 at 19:09:27 +0800, David Hume wrote:
>> Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to know how to copy
>>> and paste something from firefox to emacs for instance ?
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> That depends on the terminal I think. If it is xterm you can press the
>> middle mouse button to paste.
> Maybe you can try to use xsel. The way I use is below:
>
> ;; use xsel to copy/paste in emacs-nox
> (unless window-system
>   (when (getenv "DISPLAY")
>         (defun xsel-cut-function (text &optional push)
>           (with-temp-buffer
>                 (insert text)
>                 (call-process-region (point-min) (point-max) "xsel" nil 0 nil "--clipboard" "--input")))
>         (defun xsel-paste-function()
>           (let ((xsel-output (shell-command-to-string "xsel --clipboard --output")))
>                 (unless (string= (car kill-ring) xsel-output)
>                   xsel-output )))
>         (setq interprogram-cut-function 'xsel-cut-function)
>         (setq interprogram-paste-function 'xsel-paste-function)
>         ))
>
> --
> Quanyang Liu （刘全阳）
> Undergraduate
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> Shanghai Jiao Tong University
>

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Quanyang Liu <lqymgt@gmail.com> writes:

> Maybe you can try to use xsel. The way I use is below:
>
> ;; use xsel to copy/paste in emacs-nox
> (unless window-system
>   (when (getenv "DISPLAY")
> 	(defun xsel-cut-function (text &optional push)
> 	  (with-temp-buffer
> 		(insert text)
> 		(call-process-region (point-min) (point-max) "xsel" nil 0 nil "--clipboar=
> d" "--input")))
> 	(defun xsel-paste-function()
> 	  (let ((xsel-output (shell-command-to-string "xsel --clipboard --output")=
> ))
> 		(unless (string=3D (car kill-ring) xsel-output)
> 		  xsel-output )))
> 	(setq interprogram-cut-function 'xsel-cut-function)
> 	(setq interprogram-paste-function 'xsel-paste-function)
> 	))

Amazing! I have almost the same, also based on xsel. I
made it into a package [1], but then I learned another
guy had submitted a package to ELPA, only based on
xclip (which I first used, but dropped for some reason
in favor of xsel).

So I never submitted it, but perhaps I still will.

Both xsel and xclip are in the repositories for Debian
and surely for Ubuntu as well (if you are using Unity,
I mean).

Also, if you are using tmux, I wrote some code [2] so
that you can insert what you kill in tmux into an Emacs
buffer. The Emacs kill-yank keys are at work by default
in tmux, I think, but tmux requires a little love [3]
to write the killed region to a file, which is then
inserted from Emacs.

Good luck!

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/xsel.el
[2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/linux-shell.el
[3] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.tmux.conf

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to
> know how to copy and paste something from firefox to
> emacs for instance ? Thanks.

In addition to my other post on xsel, I'd like to
mention that a copy-and-paste interface from Emacs to
the outside world is, while useful, still a very
limited interface - and one that isn't programmable.

Emacs is all about automatization. Two things in
sequence that you make into one.

So the best answer is actually: Don't do it! Instead,
use an Emacs based browser, for example w3m - hit the
repositories for 'w3m-el-snapshot'.

Not only will that in an instant solve the clipboard
problem - it will actually solve it in a much better
way, as the Emacs kill ring is much more advanced than
the X clipboard - but the main advantage is that
instead of a mere copy-and-paste interface, you will
have a completely integrated browser. If you are fond
of Lisp, the sky's the limit. [1]

By the way, I just thought of one thing. Unity on
Ubuntu is still on X, or did they switch to Mir yet? In
that case, I don't know if xclip and xsel works. I've
heard of XMir that would bridge the gap, but I've not
seen any of this live. Perhaps you are even using
Kubuntu that would stick with X and switch (?) to
Wayland eventually. It would be nice if you could tell
us a thing or two.

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Quanyang Liu]

On Sun, Aug 17 2014 at 05:45:31 +0800, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Amazing! I have almost the same, also based on xsel. I
> made it into a package [1], but then I learned another
> guy had submitted a package to ELPA, only based on
> xclip (which I first used, but dropped for some reason
> in favor of xsel).
>

Well... I got the solution from the Internet, in fact.

-- 
Quanyang Liu （刘全阳）
Undergraduate
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Shanghai Jiao Tong University

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Quanyang Liu]

On Sun, Aug 17 2014 at 07:18:29 +0800, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> So the best answer is actually: Don't do it! Instead,
> use an Emacs based browser, for example w3m - hit the
> repositories for 'w3m-el-snapshot'.

I don't think a text-base browser can always satisfy requirements...
By the way, since he uses firefox, why not directly use Emacs for GUI.
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Quanyang Liu （刘全阳）
Undergraduate
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Shanghai Jiao Tong University

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Quanyang Liu <lqymgt@gmail.com> writes:

>> Amazing! I have almost the same, also based on xsel.
>> I made it into a package [1], but then I learned
>> another guy had submitted a package to ELPA, only
>> based on xclip (which I first used, but dropped for
>> some reason in favor of xsel).
>
> Well... I got the solution from the Internet, in
> fact.

It doesn't matter. Code doesn't belong to the person
who wrote it, but the person who needs it.

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Quanyang Liu <lqymgt@gmail.com> writes:

>> So the best answer is actually: Don't do it!
>> Instead, use an Emacs based browser, for example w3m
>> - hit the repositories for 'w3m-el-snapshot'.
>
> I don't think a text-base browser can always satisfy
> requirements...

There is only one case where w3m fails me, and that is
http://www.sj.se, to se when the trains come and go.
Everything else I can do with text-only. I think it is
JavaScript that is lacking, a technology I don't
respect anyway. (Other people may have other needs, of
course.)

Even accursed YouTube I don't have to use that way.
First w3m to get the URL, then youtube-dl to get the
movie file. Browser GUI, YouTube GUI, dependence on the
Internet, all bypassed.

But, I think nowadays there actually are Emacs browsers
that can show pictures. (If anyone passes the sj.se
test, I'd give it a try.)

> By the way, since he uses firefox, why not directly
> use Emacs for GUI.

One more time?

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Robert Thorpe]

Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to know how to copy and paste something from firefox to emacs for instance ?
> Thanks.

This question keeps being asked recently.  Lots of people have posted
code using xsel and xclip.  Some of which doesn't work properly
(http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2014-05/msg00100.html
), but I think the ones posted in this thread are ok.

What's the point of running the terminal version of Emacs in X?  If you
want windowing then why not run the X version?  If you don't want
windowing, then why both run X at all?

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Kro Ly]

Thanks everyone but xsel doesn't seem to work and I have found no solution. It say "xsel: can't open display: (null): success. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 using the first console (ctrl + alt + f1).

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Yuri Khan]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks everyone but xsel doesn't seem to work and I have found no solution. It say "xsel: can't open display: (null): success. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 using the first console (ctrl + alt + f1).

Before running xclip or xsel, you might want to set the DISPLAY
environment to indicate the X display whose selection or clipboard you
want to access, e.g.:

$ DISPLAY=:0 xsel -o

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Stefan Monnier]

> Hi, i'm using emacs in the terminal and I'd like to know how to copy and
> paste something from firefox to Emacs for instance ?

Depends on the terminal you use, but other than that it should "just
work".  What have you tried and what result did you get?


        Stefan

RE: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Subhan Michael Tindall]

I'm stuck in Windows-land these days, but when I was using terminal emacs a lot on my Ubuntu machine (gnome terminal I think, but I believe this is common: )
A) Highlight URL or whatever in firefox, chrome, etc.
B) copy or kill using C-c or C-x
C) paste into term at cursor: Shift-C-v

Hope this helps!




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> Behalf Of David Hume
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:16 AM
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal
> version ?
> 
> Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Thanks everyone but xsel doesn't seem to work and I have found no
> > solution. It say "xsel: can't open display: (null): success. I'm on
> > ubuntu 12.04 using the first console (ctrl + alt + f1).
> 
> aaaaaaaah, you are using the console! Well, you could perhaps run emacs in
> xterm instead. :)
> 
> emacs -nw


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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Bob Proulx]

Subhan Michael Tindall wrote:
> I'm stuck in Windows-land these days, but when I was using terminal
> emacs a lot on my Ubuntu machine (gnome terminal I think, but I
> believe this is common: )
> A) Highlight URL or whatever in firefox, chrome, etc.
> B) copy or kill using C-c or C-x
> C) paste into term at cursor: Shift-C-v

Or in xterm and other places it is Shift-Insert.

The traditional X controls are to highlight using the left mouse
button.  Then paste using the middle mouse button.  Shift-Insert is
also available as a paste control.

Unfortunately (for me anyway) the Microsoft C-c, C-x, C-v controls are
permeating and the traditional methods are becoming broken.  Therefore
your experience may be different depending upon configuration.

Bob

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Stefan Monnier]

> The traditional X controls are to highlight using the left mouse
> button.  Then paste using the middle mouse button.  Shift-Insert is
> also available as a paste control.

Indeed, this is the traditional bindings to control the PRIMARY selection.

> Unfortunately (for me anyway) the Microsoft C-c, C-x, C-v controls are
> permeating and the traditional methods are becoming broken.  Therefore
> your experience may be different depending upon configuration.

I haven't seen much real breakage in that area.  But these key bindings
typically control the CLIPBOARD selection instead, so if you're not
aware of the distinction between PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD selection
(and/or if you don't know or aren't sure which is used by your program
and/or by the key sequence you used), then indeed, sometimes it looks
like it's just broken.


        Stefan

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Robert Thorpe]

David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:

> Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com> writes:
...
>
> emacs-gtk has a habit of hanging indefinately. I am suspicious of
> emacs-x11 too. So I am using emacs in a terminal.

I haven't seen either of those problems.

That could be a bug in Emacs.  If you can find a recipe to reproduce it
then it's worth reporting.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Kro Ly]

Le lundi 18 août 2014 17:37:50 UTC+2, Yuri Khan a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks everyone but xsel doesn't seem to work and I have found no solution. It say "xsel: can't open display: (null): success. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 using the first console (ctrl + alt + f1).
> 
> 
> 
> Before running xclip or xsel, you might want to set the DISPLAY
> 
> environment to indicate the X display whose selection or clipboard you
> 
> want to access, e.g.:
> 
> 
> 
> $ DISPLAY=:0 xsel -o

this worked perfectly :
$ export DISPLAY=:0
$ xsel -b
;; return what I copied in the GUI.

the quanyang's script works fine on emacs now, I'm happy :)

thanks to everyone for having tried to help me.
for those who are curious about why I'm using emacs in the terminal, it just reminds me my childhood :)

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Dale Snell]

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Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com> wrote:

> David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:
> 
> > Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com> writes:
> ...
> >
> > emacs-gtk has a habit of hanging indefinately. I am suspicious of
> > emacs-x11 too. So I am using emacs in a terminal.
> 
> I haven't seen either of those problems.

GTK2 had a bug which caused Emacs to hang if it was suspended
(iconified) with C-z.  I don't think this was ever fixed, but
since Emacs has moved to GTK3, I doubt that it matters.  I have
never heard of a problem with X11 (though that doesn't mean there
isn't one).

--Dale

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:

> aaaaaaaah, you are using the console! Well, you could
> perhaps run emacs in xterm instead. :)
>
> emacs -nw

There are many differences between using Emacs with -nw
in xterm and using it in a Linux VT/tty/"the console".

For example, xterm requires you to use X. Most of the
time that isn't a problem, but sometimes your system
may be in a compromised state, and you don't have X
access. Of coures, that never happens to me (cough)

The biggest differences are how you configure the keys
and the fonts and the colors. In the console, that is
completely in the console. In X, some of it is in X (by
way of xterm), some of it is Emacs.

It is not really that one is better than the other.
Rather, if you started with one, you probably have a
better understanding and your mind is quicker to
execute whatever you want to do. So at that point,
probably you should stick to the one you like and know
the best.

Fonts, colors, and keys, mostly in the console but some
X stuff as well:

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/cols/www/
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/zsh.html

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Fonts, colors, and keys ...

Clarification: With "keys" I mean not everyday keys but
exotic keys and combinations that Emacs without
workarounds won't make use of as you intended. For
example, to rebind CAPS or to make C-m work. Those kind
of things are dealt with differently in the console and
in X. Regular keybindings to functions are just the
same. Colors and fonts also behave somewhat like that.
What can be setup in an Emacs init file should in 99%
do for both the console and X. But sometimes what you
setup like that relates to something you setup
somewhere else, and sometimes the fix is entirely
outside of Emacs. So bring a flashlight!

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:

>> may be in a compromised state, and you don't have X
>
> If he has firefox, he has X.

(Misunderstanding: read again what I wrote.)

>> execute whatever you want to do. So at that point,
>> probably you should stick to the one you like and
>> know the best.
>
> The strong point of human beings is adaptability. You
> shouldn't stick with what you like and know the best,
> you should adapt to something better if it is
> available. Otherwise we would be wandering around
> looking for woolly Mammoths and feeling rather
> hungry.

One of the strong points of human beings is
adaptability. Another strong point is perfecting what
is known to be good.

In the streets of Karakorum a guy that has been
fiddling with thousands of different weapons all his
life is but a war-nerd. The other guy who spent his
life perfecting archery will put an arrow through the
war-nerds head, using exactly the same method he has
employed all his fighting life.

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Bob Proulx]

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > The traditional X controls are to highlight using the left mouse
> > button.  Then paste using the middle mouse button.  Shift-Insert is
> > also available as a paste control.
> 
> Indeed, this is the traditional bindings to control the PRIMARY selection.
> 
> > Unfortunately (for me anyway) the Microsoft C-c, C-x, C-v controls are
> > permeating and the traditional methods are becoming broken.  Therefore
> > your experience may be different depending upon configuration.
> 
> I haven't seen much real breakage in that area.  But these key bindings
> typically control the CLIPBOARD selection instead, so if you're not
> aware of the distinction between PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD selection
> (and/or if you don't know or aren't sure which is used by your program
> and/or by the key sequence you used), then indeed, sometimes it looks
> like it's just broken.

I am familiar with the differences between the primary selection and
the clipboard.  However the resulting behavior of cutting text and
pasting text shouldn't matter whether you are using one or the other.
Except that it does.

In the end anything that prevents being able to highlight text with a
click and drag of the left mouse button and then being able to paste
that text with the middle button appears as breakage whether it is
actually the clipboard or the primary selection executing the details.

Bob

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I am familiar with the differences between the primary selection and
> the clipboard.  However the resulting behavior of cutting text and
> pasting text shouldn't matter whether you are using one or the other.

Of course it does: if you select text in an application which puts it in
PRIMARY and then paste it in an application which looks for it in
CLIPBOARD you won't get what you're asking for.

> In the end anything that prevents being able to highlight text with a
> click and drag of the left mouse button and then being able to paste
> that text with the middle button appears as breakage whether it is
> actually the clipboard or the primary selection executing the details.

Right.  The convention is not followed correctly by all applications,
plus some applications are trying to be helpful (i.e. to try and
accommodate the fact that other applications don't follow the convention
correctly) and end up breaking the convention yet again.

It's kind of messy because this convention was introduced "late" in the
life of X11.


        Stefan

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Yuri Khan]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Kro Ly <mnmnmnmna@gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks to everyone for having tried to help me.
> for those who are curious about why I'm using emacs in the terminal, it just reminds me my childhood :)

Have a look at the cool-old-term project. It works in X and might
remind one’s childhood even more :)

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:

> ... you seem to be talking about a hypothetical
> situation. If X is broken, or if you have set up
> colours.

It doesn't have to be X that is broken just because you
can't use it.

Hypothetical and hypothetical... it is a fact that
using Emacs in the console isn't in all aspects
identical to using it in xterm with -nw. If those
differences will ever matter to the OP at some level
that is worth bringing up, I cant' say, of course. I
always said the Delhi oracle was more talented than
I...

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Re: Emacs hanging (Re: How to copy and paste...)

[Emanuel Berg]

David Hume <David.Hume@hushmail.com> writes:

> Just now emacs was hanging in lxterminal. I killed it
> off, but I noticed there was an emacs-gtk running
> with no window associated with it. I am not sure how
> that happened or what it was doing. I have now
> uninstalled emacs-x11 and installed emacs-nox
> instead, in the hope this problem goes away.
>
> I can't reported because I don't know the cause,
> other than using emacs is the cause.

Try to reproduce it. Or if it happens again, think what
you might have done this time, that you did the first
time as well. Otherwise you hang in the air unless
someone immediately recognizes that situation...

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> I always said the Delhi oracle was more talented than
> I...

*Delphi :)

There is also the matter of speed, the "interactive
feel" someone mentioned. When I started with Linux I
used gnome-terminal which was (is?) very slow. I could
sense this because I had used the terminal on SunOS
5.10, which was invoked from Gnome just under the
black-screen icon named "Terminal", so I don't know
what it was. Anyway, I looked around and found rxvt
which was much faster (that acronym is really telling,
if you don't know it). I then switched to urxvt (or
"rxvt-unicode") probably for Unicode support, and that
was as fast as rxvt. Then I switched to the console
which I experienced as as fast, perhaps marginally
faster still. But the best thing was that it was
distraction-free or almost so without that much
configuration, and the configuration that remained come
easy... well, relatively speaking. Now I use xterm in X
which I also consider fast. If you are very sensitive
to distractions this can actually be a way of getting
super-focus, but only if you get rid of the
distractions. If you can't, it is very bad. The console
can be a quick and easy way. It all depends what you
want and how sensitive you are (or "perceptive" if you
prefer a word that rings positively).

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Bob Proulx]

Yuri Khan wrote:
> Have a look at the cool-old-term project. It works in X and might
> remind one’s childhood even more :)

  https://github.com/Swordifish90/cool-old-term

That is	quite a nice retro look to the terminal.  I like it!  :-)

However I see you using the unicode "’" (U+2019) in your reply
instead of the traditional typewriter "'" (0x27).  :-)  How can you be
a traditionalist with behavior like that?  Ha ha!

Bob

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> writes:

> Yuri Khan wrote:
>
>> Have a look at the cool-old-term project. It works
>> in X and might remind one’s childhood even more :)
>
>   https://github.com/Swordifish90/cool-old-term
>
> That is quite a nice retro look to the terminal. I
> like it! :-)

Yeah, me too!

But I suppose it is not "real" but rather they used
high tech to make it look that way. Like the MAME and
zsnes and all those emulators to play Neo-Geo and SNES.
But actually those run the original ROMs. This is just
a shell that looks that way. Also, they are "exposed"
as running it in a GUI window. But I'm impressed by the
effort and result.

Though I prefer the real deal. Here, no fake records:

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/console_cols.png

This is the console with tmux and zsh. Showing Debian,
Sun, colored prompt strings, colored output, color by
extension, and some ASCII art from the BBS era.
Speaking of the 90s, to quote SEGA: "Beat us. If you
can."

By the way, "Swordfish" is also the name of a hacker
movie that really sucked, but at least included some
nice looking wenches.

Also, there is a very colorful shell being developed
today, the fish shell. You can get such colors for zsh
as well, which I tried, but I got stressed out by the
words changing colors as I typed.

> However I see you using the unicode "’" (U+2019) in
> your reply instead of the traditional typewriter "'"
> (0x27). :-) How can you be a traditionalist with
> behavior like that? Ha ha!

I and Mr. Khan already had a holy war on that which
included some 10-20 posts, some of which were very
long. Next time, I'll put him down that mercilessly as
you just did and be done with it.

:)

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Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Yuri Khan]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> wrote:
>
>> However I see you using the unicode "’" (U+2019) in
>> your reply instead of the traditional typewriter "'"
>> (0x27). :-) How can you be a traditionalist with
>> behavior like that? Ha ha!
>
> I and Mr. Khan already had a holy war on that which
> included some 10-20 posts, some of which were very
> long. Next time, I'll put him down that mercilessly as
> you just did and be done with it.

Oh, now that you two have blown my cover, I have to confess. I am from
an alternate reality where technical limitations and bad design
decisions are recognized, deprecated and obsoleted at the earliest
opportunity. So, Unicode everywhere (including FTP and ZIP), keyboard
rows are not staggered, and HTML has been superseded with XHTML which
has to be valid to at least 1.0 Strict before any existing browser
displays even a bit of it.

But even in that alternate reality, now and then, people still miss a
bit of a technical limitation which was in effect at the time of their
childhood. Some develop a CRT-like terminal emulator, some listen to
music on vinyl discs.

> :)

Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> Oh, now that you two have blown my cover, I have to
> confess. I am from an alternate reality where
> technical limitations and bad design decisions are
> recognized, deprecated and obsoleted at the earliest
> opportunity. So, Unicode everywhere (including FTP
> and ZIP), keyboard rows are not staggered, and HTML
> has been superseded with XHTML which has to be valid
> to at least 1.0 Strict before any existing browser
> displays even a bit of it.

What?

> But even in that alternate reality, now and then,
> people still miss a bit of a technical limitation
> which was in effect at the time of their childhood.
> Some develop a CRT-like terminal emulator, some
> listen to music on vinyl discs.

Perhaps to you it is nostalgia. My first computer was a
Mac Plus - well, of course it wasn't mine, it was the
first I used, I mean.

The OS - perhaps what we would now would call a desktop
or window manager - was Finder. I remember upgrading
(or switching) to 6.0.7.

Finder was the smash hit of the GUIs. And there were
some great games like Dark Castle,
Beyond Dark Castle, Shadowgate and Prince of Persia.

There were also some crossovers from the PC world (like
King's Quest, Space Quest etc. from Sierra On-line)
which were horrible. (On-line back then was the
computer world, as opposed to the paper world.)

But I didn't think about the UI at all back then, as a
kid. Anyway, somewhere along the way I started using
PCs, Windows 95 and XP are the OSs I remember. (I
didn't do much DOS at all.) I did VB 5.0 and either C
or C++, I don't remember. I did BASIC on the TI
calculator and amazingly on the PlayStation 2 as well.
I'm actually much more a newcomer to the CLI world than
to programming.

No, I discovered the CLI and all with the SunOS and
later Debian. It took my quite some time to be GNOME-,
X-, and mouse-free. So for me it is absolutely not
about nostalgia. The moment I saw the terminal I
realized it was 100 times better, and I wanted nothing
else, but at that time I couldn't do everything I
wanted so I had to use X for certain things. RMAIL,
then Gnus, and Emacs-w3m were the last nails in the
coffin for me. Now I'm not that angry at GUIs, the
mouse, and all, anymore, because I don't use them.

It is like the police. When you feel they might arrest
you or ride into the street rally, you don't like them.
But when you are safe and sound you don't think about
them or waste any energy being negativistic and angry.

-- 
underground experts united