From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Emacs mail is not user friendly Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:40:19 +0900 Message-ID: <87d28fu724.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <871tp4wut1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mw7qvign.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bno5ulbu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416634869 27580 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2014 05:41:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 05:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kelly@prtime.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 22 06:41:01 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xs3RN-0002K0-M4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 06:41:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43883 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xs3RC-0007JF-Tm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:40:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48869) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xs3Qs-0007J2-0l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:40:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xs3Qj-0003nS-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:48015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xs3Qj-0003mo-A1; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:40:21 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 104751C390D; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:40:20 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0B4C1A2892; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:40:19 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177963 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Yes. But Emacs nowadays depends on a large number of external > > libraries, many of which are known to have had security flaws. > > We need to get those problems fixed. You will never get all of those problems fixed; there's an unending supply of them, as new ones are being created every day. That means that in practice complex applications like Emacs are continuously vulnerable to some attack, although those attacks change over time. As somebody (probably Kelly) put it a few messages back, it's no longer the case that we ordinary users can consider ourselves safe just because there's millions of us. The botnets have millions of CPUs with which to seek out new victims in massively parallel fashion.