From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Boldface typing Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:19 +0100 Message-ID: <87d26zolfg.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <874msc30rr.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <92b37c91-f072-4132-a3d0-3fa38f140970@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420041893 24888 80.91.229.3 (31 Dec 2014 16:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 31 17:04:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6LlM-0000nO-Ut for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6LlM-0007SI-4c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:04:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6LlB-0007S2-5M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:04:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6Ll6-0002rw-5e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:04:33 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([150.254.78.50]:55860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6Ll5-0002rs-Ux for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:04:28 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43613414B4 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:26 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBxsv8+dp3Vs for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:26 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8B7242061 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:25 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 150.254.78.50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101799 Archived-At: On 2014-12-31, at 14:55, Rusi wrote: > Good to remember that the DTP revolution centered around things like pagemaker > doing images and text together. > Does latex do a half decent job of images?? Dunno... I find it implausible Well. It depends on what you mean by "doing job of images". LaTeX is not a DTP system, it's a typesetting system aimed primarily at scientific publications. It can (of course) reserve some space on the page for an image - even include an image into a PDF, and do some basic transformations (like scaling, rotating or cropping). That is no problem. It can wrap an image with text, though this is much less reliable and has severe limitations. (I hope that the new LaTeX3 output routine will change it for the better, but we'll have to wait for that. In the meantime, if yoy want to produce graphics-heavy documents, ConTeXt might be the way to go. ConTeXt is also TeX-based, but it's completely independent of LaTeX2 (either the "old" 2.09, or the "new" 2e), and is designed much, much better than LaTeX 2.09 and much better than LaTeX2e (which is constrained by at least partial backwards compatibility). ConTeXt shines especially in a few areas LaTeX is lacking: images, grid typesetting, columns. Also, while LaTeX is very scientific-stuff-centric, ConTeXt is much more general (though it was historically aimed primarily at educational materials). OTOH, if by "doing job of images", you mean /producing/ images (like diagrams, graphs etc.), you almost couldn't have a tool better than LaTeX. Check out the manual for TikZ (oddly, the file is named pgfmanual.pdf); it is a huge engine for programmatically generating very sophisticated graphics. All in all, I think that comparing LaTeX with DTP stuff is a bit unfair: they are a bit different animals. Not as different as in "Word vs LaTeX", but still. There are things (especially graphics-related) where LaTeX clearly falls behind, and there are things (especially mathematics-related, both in the sense of math formulae and in the sense of e.g. producing diagrams posessing certain mathematical properties; also, bibliographies, though to be honest I don't know how InDesign et al. perform in this department) that it's hard to beat. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University