From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 01:21:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87d21w3xp6.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1432081348 29767 80.91.229.3 (20 May 2015 00:22:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 00:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 02:22:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yurm4-0007oQ-1X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 May 2015 02:22:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49377 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yurm2-0002oj-MX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 May 2015 20:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45399) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yurlt-0002oP-1u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2015 20:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yurlo-00065Q-Qv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2015 20:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp02.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.8]:51177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yurlo-00064p-Kj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2015 20:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail04.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.17]) by outbound-smtp02.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC47498548 for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 00:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 6451 invoked from network); 20 May 2015 00:21:58 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.77.102.223]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 20 May 2015 00:21:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 11 May 2015 12:12:43 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104490 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Waste of the student's time, if you ask me. > > You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the tutorial > has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure out how to use > it efficiently. > > That's good for that use case. But there are other use cases, such as > someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out". In that case, the > tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs. There could be a link to the Emacs Tour somewhere near the start of the tutorial, that would help. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/ BR, Robert Thorpe