From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote. Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:49:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1w9hql5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <878u6znii9.fsf@T420.taylan> <836123gfh2.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3krm0t3.fsf@T420.taylan> <5624F66F.1030600@yandex.ru> <87io63lzkg.fsf@T420.taylan> <562508B7.3020202@yandex.ru> <876122n5v3.fsf@T420.taylan> <22053.50324.60123.654292@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d1waknl1.fsf@T420.taylan> <87oafugeia.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wpuij5vm.fsf@T420.taylan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445331002 17993 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2015 08:50:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192169 Archived-At: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") write= s: >> >>> This tells me that this development community (or at least certain >>> people in it) don't want my contribution for inexplicable reasons, in >>> particular not technical reasons. I do not see any possible sensible >>> definition of "the needs of the Emacs Project" that would lead to the >>> behavior I've seen from certain people here, so I disagree absolutely >>> that it could possibly be a misunderstanding on my side. >>> >>> >>> Moreover, I've been warned about emacs-devel by multiple people before, >>> and about a certain member of it in particular, and I did not believe it >>> could possibly be this bad. >> >> You don't need to speak in riddles. I am quite used to seeing my name >> explicitly written in such contexts. > > This had nothing to do with you. The bug report discussion hopefully > makes it clear who I'm talking about. Sorry about the misunderstanding, > really. Well, presumably Eli then. If you digged through the Emacs developer archives of the last 20 years or so, I think you'll easily find about 3000 mails from Eli amounting to "please don't break the MSDOS port of Emacs gratuitously" and probably 1000 mails amounting to "please don't sabotage right-to-left typesetting", many in threads of the "why should we even care about _that_" variety. In the end, Emacs is better in some respects due to at last someone taking responsibility for caring about minority interests. And since Emacs serves so many interests, it has become second nature to most developers when such objections are raised to just try addressing them like everybody else does. --=20 David Kastrup