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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
To: "Petros Travioli" <travioli@gmx.de>
Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#13949: Aw: Re: bug#13949: fill-paragraph is buggy, but using MD5 is even more buggy
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:31:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d1qehdx7.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-d7553a86-4d25-4c99-9770-4b469ac6fd97-1459171759869@3capp-gmx-bs57> (Petros Travioli's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:29:19 +0200")

"Petros Travioli" <travioli@gmx.de> writes:

>> > But that's exactly what happens when you are using hash functions to
>> > verify buffer equality, just with a more complicated mathematical
>> > formulation and at a slightly different scale.
>> >
>> > So don't use hash functions to a two-sided correct answer to test buffer
>> > equality. For a one-sided answer (if hash(x) != hash(y) then x != y), you
>> > are fine.
>> 
>> There is a difference between a hash function and a cryptographic hash
>> function.  An inportant property of a cryptographic hash function is the
>> avalanche effect, that means a small change in the plaintext will result
>> in a big change in the hash value.  That makes such a hash function
>> suitable for the reverse condition x != y => hash(x) != hash(y), with a
>> very high probability of being true.
>> 
> So far most old crypto functions have been broken. There is no doubt this will happen to any newer one sooner or later. If any single person would lose his work because of a random collision, this is an argument agains crypto hash functions.

This is irrelevant.  See avalanche effect.

Andreas.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-28 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-13 22:09 bug#13949: 24.3.50; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14  3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14  7:57   ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 10:27     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 17:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 13:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-14 17:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 18:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:01             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 19:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:32                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15  4:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-15  7:27           ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 17:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34       ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-22 10:50 ` bug#13949: 24.4.1; " Jaakov
2016-03-22 11:39   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-22 16:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 17:40     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:56       ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-03-22 18:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 18:42         ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27  3:31             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27  7:44               ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:09                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28  8:01                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27  8:42               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-27 14:59                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:15                   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:21                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 18:53                     ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:13                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 14:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 15:28                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:52                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:21                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:33                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:46                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:58                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 18:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:29                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:05                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 17:30                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:38                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:00                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:14                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:46                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:28                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 10:39                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:27                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:32                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 13:46                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:52                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28 16:29                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:07                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:45                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 18:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28  8:09                 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:46                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:53                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:05                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 21:20                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 22:03                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:50                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:27                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:36                         ` Jaakov
2016-03-27 16:08                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:52     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:40 ` bug#13949: (no subject) Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:07     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:53         ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 20:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 21:58             ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 22:38               ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-23 15:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:45                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:33                 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-23 15:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 23:44 ` bug#13949: `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Petros Travioli
2016-03-28  4:55 ` bug#13949: fill-paragraph is buggy, but using MD5 is even more buggy Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 10:32   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 13:29     ` bug#13949: Aw: " Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 14:31       ` Andreas Schwab [this message]
2016-03-28 17:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:16 ` Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 17:05   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:06   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 19:03     ` Petros Travioli

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