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[87.79.227.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f5sm14894490ede.17.2017.07.05.11.37.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216192 Archived-At: I agree with the consensus in this thread, and on reading Richard's mail this morning, several thoughts along the same lines crossed my mind. Please let's not undermine a successful *free software* project (by the strictest FSF definition) by trying to duplicate (presumably badly) the work, passion, clear vision and eye for quality that Jonas has shown. Also, from a practical point of view --- why would anybody in his/her right mind contribute to such a project, instead of contributing to Magit? There are no ethical incentives, and any technical curiosity has to face the *huge* amount of work and refinement that has already happened in Magit. Since getting copyright assignments for Magit contributions seems a rather daunting task (given the longevity and the size of the project), we could try to encourage technical steps to integrate parts of Magit into GNU ELPA and/or Emacs. Jonas has extracted several auxiliary packages that might qualify, for example because they have been newly written, rewritten, or have all necessary copyright assignments. A rewrite of magit's core using libgit2 (maybe as an Emacs module) is also on the map --- maybe this could be done in such a way that it could become part of Emacs?